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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kai Lord" data-source="post: 1548091" data-attributes="member: 3570">Whoa, it only took you a week to formulate a response...I'll try to go easier on you next time.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> I can respect that.  We all have our "Perfect 10" movies, and as we see in the other thread of the same name, a lot of people have the same "Perfect 10" movies.  LOTR, Star Wars, Raiders, bla bla bla.But its seeing those movies generally accepted to be second or third tier that make people's "Best of" lists that are often way more interesting.  An example for you would be The Mummy, one for me would be Gremlins.  I love, love, love, that movie.  Not as much as ROTK or what have you, but it would rank in my Top 20 all time, way higher than Lawrence of Arabia or Citizen Kane, neither of which I was particularly impressed with.  Blasphemy, I know.I agree.  There's a huge amount of distance between Oscar-winning effects and those that we see in The Mummy.   <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> And again I tell you, any scene with the beetles (and I do mean literally any scene) and any of the "skinless Imhotep" scenes.Bah.  If Rotten Tomatoes ranking + Box Office = the measure of a movie then Titanic would be everybody's second favorite movie after LOTR.  I couldn't care less what the critics or movie going public prefers.  If you've read *any* of my opinions on films in this forum surely you must have learned that by now.  And yes I did just call you Shirley. Objection noted and overruled.  Anything you say at this point will be stricken from the record.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />  Nah if you want to object go ahead, if it makes you feel better.  I realize The Mummy is a 10 for you, and you're passionate about it.  Right on.  I gave Van Helsing an 8, but really its probably closer to a low 7 that I just really enjoyed.  I'm not going to defend a 7 as fiercely as you're going to stick up for your 10.  But I don't need to since your 10 is only a 4 in my book.   <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> Padding your opinion with box office take and the ratings of critics?  As a film buff you should be ashamed.  Really, I'm embarrased for you.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Eh.  The cargo in that carriage represented the survival of all her babies.  I could see a mom stating the obvious in a fit of hysteria.  Quite easily in fact.One thing my friend commented about Van Helsing as we were leaving was how "convenient" everything was.  "Hey look, the portal to Dracula's lair!"  "But its missing a piece."  "Well guess what I just happen to have the piece too!""But Dracula can only be killed by a werewolf.""Well guess what just bit me today..."  And so on.And what does a single James Bond film offer in the way of character development lacking in Van Helsing?  Nothing.  So literally the only reason you find fault with Van Helsing is because this wasn't the 20th movie he appears in where he does the exact same thing that he did in the other 19.  Watch every James Bond film in the last 25 years in a super marathon.  What do we know about him after all these years?  He's British, a spy, gets a lot of women and blows a lot of stuff up.  Oh and his codename's 007.  We like him, but we don't know *anything* about him.  Hell we know more about his martinis than Bond himself.Okay, so Star Wars gets a passing grade because we1.  Know the situation2.  Know who the good guy is3.  See the "good guy/s" fight really hardAll elements accounted for in Van Helsing.  Case dismissed.  But that's only turning your own argument against you.  I don't even agree that its valid in and of itself.  Did we have a clue as to who we were supposed to root for in the beginning of The Matrix?  No.  Was it still an incredibly thrilling opening?  You bet.Interesting.  I'm curious as to what bothered you so much about the movie.*Hell* yes.  Your dog can play checkers?  Dude, call somebody because you guys should be on TV.Once again we have:1.  Know what the characters are trying to do2.  Watch them try hard3.  See them careAll represented in Van Helsing.  But it doesn't matter.  Those prerequisites are accounted for in a legion of crappy films.  But, as you said, you probably like a lot more crappy films than I do.   <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" /> You continually miss the point.  Once.  Again:  If the "action" in an action movie *sucks*, the "script, performances, and direction" in the rest of the movie DOESN'T MATTER.  The movie is going to suck.  That's the point.  Read it, learn it, know it.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> That doesn't mean I'm not agreeing that the inverse is *also* true.  Case in point:  The Matrix Reloaded.  Probably the most techically proficient car chase sequence ever put on film.  But I wouldn't even rank it in the all time top ten.  Why not?  Because the drama that put the characters in the action just wasn't that interesting or credible, unlike the finales of The Road Warrior or The Fast and the Furious.Does that mean the Matrix freeway chase isn't entertaining in its own right?  No.  It was just on HBO the other night and I happened to flick it on right before the chase began.  Its not that great a movie but I still watched the whole chase sequence before switching it off when Neo comes and saves the day.  Why?  Because it earned my interest with compelling characters in a well scripted showdown?  No, because its fun to watch a lot of crap get destroyed on the freeway.Now, take a movie that has a lot of fun rollercoaster action, throw in werewolves, Hugh Jackman, and Kate Beckinsale, and what do you get?  Return of the King?  Not even close.  But you do get a fun two hours, which is much more than can be said for The Mummy.   <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious    :]" data-shortname=":]" />However, I'd still be more interested in just watching your dog beat you at checkers.   <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

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