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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JeffB" data-source="post: 4393780" data-attributes="member: 518">Well, I'm a 4E fan, but I had to rate them a 2. I'm rating them solely on RPG products and practices.Some reasons1) 3E, specificaly 3.5- which drove me away from playing D&D. Good intentions, poor execution (IMO of course).2) Dungeon & Dragon dropped. Sorry, I like paper magazines and hate PDFs and don't buy PDFs of any kind. 3) DDI Debacle- More great intentions and poor execution4) GSL Debacle- this thing is a joke, and has put a big crimp on some really good companies making some really good 4E compatible material. While I don't feel WOTC is obligated to even putting out a license, if you are going to do it, at least make it somewhat of a win-win for everyone involved. Now, the 3pps and thus the consumers are pretty much screwed.5) D&D Minis- I've never bought a pack and never will- the collectible aspect  is something I won't support. If I'm buying a product, I don't want to gamble on it being something I will or will not need or use.6) The 4E Preview books while not a big factor, struck a negative chord with me.It's quite clear the WOTC of today is not the company that "saved" D&D and TSR. While I understand the business has changed and needs to, I really miss the last couple years of 2E and the first couple of 3E- back then they would have got a 5 rating out of me easily.EDIT_ I forgot to add in the quality of the 4E books and KOTS- plenty of binding and smudging problems here</blockquote>

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