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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 9496296">I still haven't seen the smile movies (been meaning to though). I iwll say I generally find newer horror movies less scary than older ones (but that is just me). I don't think how scary movies are is as much as bout tropes as thigns like film craft. The jump scare in Exorcist III is still effective even if you have been jaded by the large volume of jump scares in the past decade or so becasue it is so well craftedHow worn tropes are isn't really something I worry too much about. I was just making that point because slashers were brought up as an alternative. Hellraiser is worn just by how long it has been going I suppose. I don't think tropes being well known is an issue though. I suppose it depends on what you mean by Hell Praiser's tropes here. People get overly precious in my opinion about twisting tropes, keeping tropes fresh, but sometimes you just want a no BSD werewolf movie, or a film about demons sticking hooks in people. I like Hellraiser and don't really worry too much about how fresh its tropes are. Same with Gothic horror. I go to Ravenloft because I love Gothic horror movies and books, I want the gothic tropes (I'm not worried about how worn they are because they are still very effective at the table and they are what people in my Ravenloft campaigns want)</blockquote>