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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 8265488" data-attributes="member: 7635"><p>:: Adjusts nerd glasses :: Acshullally</p><p></p><p>Marvel has reset its continuity a couple times; its just that they never outright invalidate any previous story. (Though The do something contradict, hence the infamous No Prize) For example, Secret Wars (2015) ended every Marvel continuity and smashed them into one. It looks similar to the classic 616 continuity, but several interlopers (such as Miles Morales from the Ultimate universe) came through and became permanently part of the universe with little attempt to explain them into past events. This is how we get characters like MM Spider-Man, Spider-Gwen, or Gwenpool all running around in the same universe together. </p><p></p><p>Further, Marvel has a sliding timescale that says thier continuity is never more than 10 years from the current year; which has resulted in many characters getting adjusted origins (Punisher has fought in several wars; Iron Man was kidnapped from several battlefronts), several "tricky" origins (Magneto's WW2 origin gets more and more difficult to explain) and a lot of condensed history (Spider-Man has been killed, cloned, replaced, dated two girls, married one and "unmarried", and watch Aunt May die several times, all in the course of 10 years). So, by this point, Marvel Continuity is less "this happened" and more "if its releveant, it happened. If it isn't, it didn't".</p><p></p><p>To bring it back to RPGs, 5e's Forgotten Realms is Marvel; it's not outright saying the Spellplague didn't happen, but its more-or-less ignoring it unless it's something it finds relevant (IE the coming of dragonborn) with every major NPC from the 1300's surviving somehow to the 1400's with a lot of hand-waving involved. Whereas 5e Ravenloft IS much closer to DC's "New 52" reboot, where some things still count (Batman's entire history, including 4 different Robins, fit in 10 years) some things don't (Superman was the launch-point of the story so his marriage, death, and rebirth were all gone) and some things happened differently, but still happened (the formation of the Teen Titans, which couldn't happen in continuity due to the timeframe, still was discussed). The difference of course, is that for WotC it was easier to restore things taken away from Faerun during 4e than it was to remove things from Ravenloft, which is why its simpler to allow Faerun to handwave Mirt the Moneylender's return than it is explain how Victor Mordenheim became Viktra. </p><p></p><p>Ultimately, the fate of any continuity long enough to survive multiple decades is that cannon must be expunged at corrected. Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, DC, Marvel, Transformers, you name the property I'll find you the apocrypha items that no longer fit it its chronology. Sometimes it's easier to start fresh, sometimes it's easier to ignore it and move on. No one-size-fits-all solution exists.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 8265488, member: 7635"] :: Adjusts nerd glasses :: Acshullally Marvel has reset its continuity a couple times; its just that they never outright invalidate any previous story. (Though The do something contradict, hence the infamous No Prize) For example, Secret Wars (2015) ended every Marvel continuity and smashed them into one. It looks similar to the classic 616 continuity, but several interlopers (such as Miles Morales from the Ultimate universe) came through and became permanently part of the universe with little attempt to explain them into past events. This is how we get characters like MM Spider-Man, Spider-Gwen, or Gwenpool all running around in the same universe together. Further, Marvel has a sliding timescale that says thier continuity is never more than 10 years from the current year; which has resulted in many characters getting adjusted origins (Punisher has fought in several wars; Iron Man was kidnapped from several battlefronts), several "tricky" origins (Magneto's WW2 origin gets more and more difficult to explain) and a lot of condensed history (Spider-Man has been killed, cloned, replaced, dated two girls, married one and "unmarried", and watch Aunt May die several times, all in the course of 10 years). So, by this point, Marvel Continuity is less "this happened" and more "if its releveant, it happened. If it isn't, it didn't". To bring it back to RPGs, 5e's Forgotten Realms is Marvel; it's not outright saying the Spellplague didn't happen, but its more-or-less ignoring it unless it's something it finds relevant (IE the coming of dragonborn) with every major NPC from the 1300's surviving somehow to the 1400's with a lot of hand-waving involved. Whereas 5e Ravenloft IS much closer to DC's "New 52" reboot, where some things still count (Batman's entire history, including 4 different Robins, fit in 10 years) some things don't (Superman was the launch-point of the story so his marriage, death, and rebirth were all gone) and some things happened differently, but still happened (the formation of the Teen Titans, which couldn't happen in continuity due to the timeframe, still was discussed). The difference of course, is that for WotC it was easier to restore things taken away from Faerun during 4e than it was to remove things from Ravenloft, which is why its simpler to allow Faerun to handwave Mirt the Moneylender's return than it is explain how Victor Mordenheim became Viktra. Ultimately, the fate of any continuity long enough to survive multiple decades is that cannon must be expunged at corrected. Doctor Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, DC, Marvel, Transformers, you name the property I'll find you the apocrypha items that no longer fit it its chronology. Sometimes it's easier to start fresh, sometimes it's easier to ignore it and move on. No one-size-fits-all solution exists. [/QUOTE]
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