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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8265502" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>You say that like we have to use something 100% unchanged or never use it. That's NEVER how art works. We take things, rework it, rebuilt it, reimagine it, all the time. That's how art always works. It's no different than taking Lovecraftian horror, stripping out the racism, and leaving the good stuff behind. And there really is lots of good stuff in Lovecraft. And, it's still good even AFTER you take out the eye watering racism and bigotry in his works. This is no different.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Ok, you and I have gone around on this more than a few times. Instead of rehashing the same arguments yet again, let me try this. WotC (and Hasbro) has very publicly and repeatedly stated it's devotion to being inclusive and culturally sensitive. They may have made missteps, but, it's pretty clear that they are going to try every chance they get. Now, being culturally sensitive is the new "Green Product" of today. Back in the day, proclaiming your product as "Green" and "Good for the Environment" was part and parcel of marketing. It simply made good economic sense to do so - you built up good will for your product and increased sales. And, by and large, you built up positive news coverage of your product as well if you did it right.</p><p></p><p>Well, guess what? This isn't really all that different. WotC can point to their efforts and they earn themselves buckets of goodwill. And, frankly, anyone arguing against the changes is essentially arguing in favor of racism. That's the unfortunate truth. It doesn't really matter how solid your argument is, at the end of the day, you're defending racism. And that's never a good look. </p><p></p><p>The argument that I'm seeing is that they are not being "respectful" to the original material. Seriously? Does anyone think that Curse of Strahd isn't respectful to the original adventure? One of the best regarded 5e modules isn't being "respectful"? What did they change? They changed the Vistani to correct a depiction that should never have been there in the first place. Does anyone want to argue that the module would be better if we went back to the original depiction of the Vistani? </p><p></p><p>At the end of the day, WotC has been very, very clear about what they will do with these older products being updated for a modern audience. They have not made any secrets of this. Why are people suddenly surprised about this? Every single time WotC does exactly what they said they were going to do, people come forward to decry "TRADITION!!!" as if that somehow justified anything. How many times will we have identical conversations before folks give it up as a lost cause?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8265502, member: 22779"] You say that like we have to use something 100% unchanged or never use it. That's NEVER how art works. We take things, rework it, rebuilt it, reimagine it, all the time. That's how art always works. It's no different than taking Lovecraftian horror, stripping out the racism, and leaving the good stuff behind. And there really is lots of good stuff in Lovecraft. And, it's still good even AFTER you take out the eye watering racism and bigotry in his works. This is no different. Ok, you and I have gone around on this more than a few times. Instead of rehashing the same arguments yet again, let me try this. WotC (and Hasbro) has very publicly and repeatedly stated it's devotion to being inclusive and culturally sensitive. They may have made missteps, but, it's pretty clear that they are going to try every chance they get. Now, being culturally sensitive is the new "Green Product" of today. Back in the day, proclaiming your product as "Green" and "Good for the Environment" was part and parcel of marketing. It simply made good economic sense to do so - you built up good will for your product and increased sales. And, by and large, you built up positive news coverage of your product as well if you did it right. Well, guess what? This isn't really all that different. WotC can point to their efforts and they earn themselves buckets of goodwill. And, frankly, anyone arguing against the changes is essentially arguing in favor of racism. That's the unfortunate truth. It doesn't really matter how solid your argument is, at the end of the day, you're defending racism. And that's never a good look. The argument that I'm seeing is that they are not being "respectful" to the original material. Seriously? Does anyone think that Curse of Strahd isn't respectful to the original adventure? One of the best regarded 5e modules isn't being "respectful"? What did they change? They changed the Vistani to correct a depiction that should never have been there in the first place. Does anyone want to argue that the module would be better if we went back to the original depiction of the Vistani? At the end of the day, WotC has been very, very clear about what they will do with these older products being updated for a modern audience. They have not made any secrets of this. Why are people suddenly surprised about this? Every single time WotC does exactly what they said they were going to do, people come forward to decry "TRADITION!!!" as if that somehow justified anything. How many times will we have identical conversations before folks give it up as a lost cause? [/QUOTE]
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