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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 2822604" data-attributes="member: 1656">Even if we take the view that Ray of Enfeeblement is not Protection from Shadows - editing the sentence to read "The subject's Strength score cannot drop below 1 as a result of the penalty from Ray of Enfeeblement", I'm still of the opinion that the order is immaterial.In the halfling example, post-Rage, we have a character with a Str of 10, a -2 penalty from fatigue, and a -11 penalty from Ray of Enfeeblement (that cannot drop the subject's Str score below 1).Whether the Ray strikes before or after the fatigue, the only way to reasonably determine whether the Ray penalty is what is causing the score to drop below 1 is to compare the score with and without that penalty.Without the Ray penalty, the score is 8.  (10 -2)With the Ray penalty, the score is -3. (10 -2 -11)Therefore, in the absence of the Ray penalty, the score would not be below 1; it is only through the inclusion of that penalty that the score could drop below 1, and that is what is prohibited by the spell text (once we edit in the clarification).The only way the subject's Str score can drop below 1 is if he racks up more than -9 in penalties (or ability damage or decreases) that do not carry that restriction.-Hyp.</blockquote>