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Message: <blockquote data-quote="redrover" data-source="post: 4399872" data-attributes="member: 70799">Nice idea. I have a few suggestions for consideration, mostly based around player decisions and consequences:1. Consider making razorvine a scalable hazard, with Heroic, Paragon, and Epic versions (Lesser, Normal, Dire?). 2. Consider a slight concept change: The razorvine doesn't actually attack; rather, you hurt yourself when you choose to interact with it. (In other words, taking damage other than the initial or forced damage becomes a player choice, giving players some control over how much this obstacle actually hurts them.)The following suggestions are pegged at Paragon tier.3. Perhaps cautious physical investigation of a razorvine area (no entry or successful identifying skill check) might deal 5 points of damage to the investigator.   4. The Restrained result works well for creatures in a razorvine square.5. With two exceptions, any action taken by a creature in a razorvine square (including voluntary or forced entry) deals it 2d6 + 5 damage, which occurs at the completion of the action. The first minor action in a turn while in a razorvine square deals no damage. An escape attempt is an end-of-turn saving throw (see below). (The idea here is the player is informed before taking actions that doing so will deal damage, except for the first minor. Taking damage last allows a player to drop himself if the possible payoff is worth it; it guarantees a desperation action always has a chance. Allowing one minor action for no damage assumes extreme care and slow execution.)6. If you take no actions while in a razorvine square, you take no damage.7. You can escape razorvine with a saving throw at the end of your turn. If successful, you shift one square and take no damage. If you stop in a razorvine area, the escape is considered voluntary movement into razorvine and you do take damage. 8. An escape fails if your attempt does not move you out of your square. A failed escape attempt crits you. (Once the players figure this out, the cost of taking action is easy to calculate, giving the players control of their options.)9. A square of razorvine can be attacked without harming a creature in the area (AC 20, other defenses 15; hp 55; immune to physical missiles and blunt weapons -- clubs, maces, hammers and the like, psychic, and thunder damage). If the razorvine is the only cause of rough terrain in a square, killing it makes the square clear terrain.(I'm not too crazy about fire resistance here, I'd rather leave that as a DM special for an Elite version.)10. Consider letting Huge and larger creatures take only half damage.</blockquote>

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