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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9334136" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I guess I don't really see a difference between reskinning and &quot;re-loring.&quot; Both of them put new skins on old drums. The former is just more overt about it.But within the subset of re-skinning that you've described, where it hews close to the original concept with some tweaks, my explanation for where devils and demons come from (and why they're Always LE/CE respectively) comes to mind. TL;DR: They fought a War in Heaven for (from their perspective) an infinite amount of time. If it were possible for any given being to &quot;persuade&quot; a devil or demon back to the side of good, it would have happened already.That doesn't mean it's impossible, the party has met a reformed (now-ex-)succubus. But it's so rare as to be effectively unworthy of consideration. Further, in the one exception the party has found, her situation was unique and preceded by (quite literally) centuries of being given reasons why protecting the world, rather than destroying it, is a worthwhile goal. Such a redemption arc couldn't even theoretically work for a devil, because they don't want to destroy anything; they want to fulfill what the priesthood calls the &quot;Divine Plan,&quot; they just want to do it by forcing mortals to obey.(Anyone familiar with The Magician's Nephew, or the ways Gandalf and Galadriel describe how the One Ring would have used them, knows what the product of the devils' efforts to fulfill the &quot;Divine Plan&quot; would be.)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9334136, member: 6790260"] I guess I don't really see a difference between reskinning and "re-loring." Both of them put new skins on old drums. The former is just more overt about it. But within the subset of re-skinning that you've described, where it hews close to the original concept with some tweaks, my explanation for where devils and demons come from (and why they're Always LE/CE respectively) comes to mind. TL;DR: They fought a War in Heaven for (from their perspective) an infinite amount of time. If it were possible for any given being to "persuade" a devil or demon back to the side of good, [I]it would have happened already[/I]. That doesn't mean it's impossible, the party has met a reformed (now-ex-)succubus. But it's so rare as to be effectively unworthy of consideration. Further, in the one exception the party has found, her situation was unique and preceded by (quite literally) [I]centuries[/I] of being given reasons why protecting the world, rather than destroying it, is a worthwhile goal. Such a redemption arc couldn't even theoretically work for a devil, because they don't want to destroy anything; they [I]want[/I] to fulfill what the priesthood calls the "Divine Plan," they just want to do it by [I]forcing[/I] mortals to obey. (Anyone familiar with [I]The Magician's Nephew[/I], or the ways Gandalf and Galadriel describe how the One Ring would have used them, knows what the product of the devils' efforts to fulfill the "Divine Plan" would be.) [/QUOTE]

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