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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thanee" data-source="post: 1503748" data-attributes="member: 478">No. We had a 3.0 psion with all updates (the one the XPH psion is based on) in a long-running campaign, tho. The updated 3.0 psion was more than equal to the arcane casters already (while without the updates the psion was inferior as pretty much everyone can tell you).The XPH one is like twice as good (slightly exaggerated <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />). All the updated abilities have been improved, many individual powers have been improved, scaling (now augmentation) has been drastically improved, power access has been drastically improved, ... what has been put in to balance all these improvements? Nothing!And again, this is not based on the inferior 3.0 PsiHB psion, but the one with If Thoughts Could Kill and Mindscape stuff applied, which most people who have run it also stated to be much better than the original one and easily equal to the 3.0 arcane casters.The arcane casters (all spellcasters) have been toned down in 3.5 - the psion has been further empowered!That's what I think is the big misconception, which led to the imbalance here!The psion is not closer to the wizard. The psion is the sorcerer and gets almost all the advantages that the wizard has plus the much more advantegeous (hence the big difference between sorcerer and wizard) spontaneous manifesting ability!The wilder takes this a step further.I only comment on the psion (leaving out the others, sure some of the stuff would have to be applied to them, too), because the psion is so similar to the core classes in function and thus easily compareable.ByeThanee</blockquote>

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