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<blockquote data-quote="Kaleon Moonshae" data-source="post: 1666863" data-attributes="member: 12147"><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>ahhhh, not quite true however. A halfling is *not* a human. It is true that he has *roughly* the same proportions (although a gnome doesn't). I would also say that a smith who actually measures arm length and takes eveyrhting into consideration is making more than "typical" weapon, he is moving towards masterwork. If normal weapons took proportions of individuals into account then every single conscript soldier would be taking a negative penalty to wrong sized weapons. In that case, every single weapon you find in the treasure your party gains would not work for any character, sicne the person it was sized for is usually dead. Also, children were not given 'sized' versions fo swords historically. They were told to learn how to wield the weapon. Usually, children who were being raised by soldiers and the like got their father's sword to practice with. That sword would be sized for a full grown man, and even under your system would be sized specifically for the father. I don't bout you but I am nothing like my father in build. My hands are twice the size of his and my shoulders make him *look* like a halfling next to me.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Now, yes you are right, a rich lord would have a specially sized and crafted sword for his children... a *masterwork* sword. I have no problem in saying that masterwork weapons are sized for individuals and not just anyone... but that would drag the game down... which is the problem with this new system anyway. You say a local blacksmith in a small village, who traditionally has made maybe 10-12 swords is going to know how to tailor fit a blade to a gnome, whome he has never seen before and doesn't know how his muscles and frame work? Also look at real life swords at your local museum. They are most definitely *not* sized for an individual unless they were special requests (ie masterwork). Most of them were made by the dozens by not wonderfully talented smiths, and it shows. I think you overestimate the quality of a normal longsword in dnd. You go into a smith and buy a blade, if you want a special one you either buy a masterwork one (which is sized and balanced for you perosnally and costs a crapload more) or you tell him you want a small sword for your short friend and he will make what he *thinks* will work.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Where do you get the idea that children had livesteel sized for them? I have been to a lot of collections and am a history major and have never heard of such a thing except as an exception. Also, if you wnat to get into real world demographics, most 11 or 12 year olds were already considered men and were either squires or apprentices. The idea that most players have of a *young* pc being 18 is completely contemperary. Women were wed at 11 and men were comanders sometimes as early as 15.</em></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kaleon Moonshae, post: 1666863, member: 12147"] [i] ahhhh, not quite true however. A halfling is *not* a human. It is true that he has *roughly* the same proportions (although a gnome doesn't). I would also say that a smith who actually measures arm length and takes eveyrhting into consideration is making more than "typical" weapon, he is moving towards masterwork. If normal weapons took proportions of individuals into account then every single conscript soldier would be taking a negative penalty to wrong sized weapons. In that case, every single weapon you find in the treasure your party gains would not work for any character, sicne the person it was sized for is usually dead. Also, children were not given 'sized' versions fo swords historically. They were told to learn how to wield the weapon. Usually, children who were being raised by soldiers and the like got their father's sword to practice with. That sword would be sized for a full grown man, and even under your system would be sized specifically for the father. I don't bout you but I am nothing like my father in build. My hands are twice the size of his and my shoulders make him *look* like a halfling next to me. Now, yes you are right, a rich lord would have a specially sized and crafted sword for his children... a *masterwork* sword. I have no problem in saying that masterwork weapons are sized for individuals and not just anyone... but that would drag the game down... which is the problem with this new system anyway. You say a local blacksmith in a small village, who traditionally has made maybe 10-12 swords is going to know how to tailor fit a blade to a gnome, whome he has never seen before and doesn't know how his muscles and frame work? Also look at real life swords at your local museum. They are most definitely *not* sized for an individual unless they were special requests (ie masterwork). Most of them were made by the dozens by not wonderfully talented smiths, and it shows. I think you overestimate the quality of a normal longsword in dnd. You go into a smith and buy a blade, if you want a special one you either buy a masterwork one (which is sized and balanced for you perosnally and costs a crapload more) or you tell him you want a small sword for your short friend and he will make what he *thinks* will work. Where do you get the idea that children had livesteel sized for them? I have been to a lot of collections and am a history major and have never heard of such a thing except as an exception. Also, if you wnat to get into real world demographics, most 11 or 12 year olds were already considered men and were either squires or apprentices. The idea that most players have of a *young* pc being 18 is completely contemperary. Women were wed at 11 and men were comanders sometimes as early as 15.[/i] [/QUOTE]
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