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Message: <blockquote data-quote="phindar" data-source="post: 3365098" data-attributes="member: 37198">This is weird, because I've been thinking about the centaur too (though I haven't been sufficiently motivated to post on it).  I came down on the other side of it, though, the centaur is really considered a Medium creature with a Large body.  Its a man-sized torso with man-sized arms, so it shouldn't really be able to wield an ogre-sized club or a Large longbow (which would be 10-12' tall).  Being a Large long creature is kind of like that; you've got the mass of a large creature, but not the Reach.   By the logic of the game rules, a man wields a polearm that's about twice his height, and gets 5' of Reach from it.  An ogre wields a polearm twice his height, and gets 10' of Reach from it.  The centaur should wield (as Large, by the book) the ogre's 20' polearm, get 5' of Reach from it, and get no Reach from the Medium 10' polearm, which is appropriately sized for it's upper body.  (The centaur is one creature that facing would help out on.  In terms of threatening, it would be like a mount with a rider in the front hex rather than the rear.)  Anyway, this is going the long way round to say that the centaur is really a poor example when it comes to weapon size and reach, because from the waist up, its just a normal guy.  The only thing I can say about centaurs is that they should get double damage on a charge with a lance.  (If anybody gets it, centaurs should.)  Here's my argument for weapons giving the Reach of a creature of that size category:A Medium creature is about 5' tall, and threatens within 5'.  A Reach weapon of his size will be 10' long, and allow him to threaten the square 5' away.  A Large creature is about 10' tall, and threatens within 10'.  A Reach weapon on his size will be 20', an allow him to threaten squares within 15-20', but not within 10'.  A Medium creature who takes the feat Monkey Grip can now use the ogre's 20' polearm, it makes sense to me that he would have more Reach than if he was wielding a polearm half that size.  Thats the logic side of it.  From a game balance standpoint, this makes the feat Monkey Grip more attractive, and while I don't think Monkey Grip is useless without the Reach, I've never seen a player actually take it so it could probably use the incentive. If a centaur wants to wield a Large Polearm, he should take Monkey Grip.  (He could call it Horse Grip if it made him feel better.)  Otherwise, his man-sized arms and man-sized chest will have to make do with a man-sized weapon (and his man-sized appetite will have to make do with a Manwich, and maybe a side of hay).</blockquote>

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