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<blockquote data-quote="Jaelommiss" data-source="post: 6722285" data-attributes="member: 6775925"><p>I think you are placing too much emphasis on the first round rather than the time period before the orcs' second turns. </p><p></p><p>Suppose that the orcs will require 7 attacks from the fighter to defeat, and that the wizard does nothing but maintain Web on his turns. </p><p></p><p>Case 1 - high fighter Initiative</p><p></p><p>20 Wizard readies web</p><p>19 Fighter readies attack</p><p>18 Orcs move in, get webbed, get attacked by fighter, attack fighter (1/7 attacks)</p><p>20 Wizard maintains web</p><p>19 Fighter attacks thrice (4/7 attacks)</p><p>18 Orcs attack</p><p>20 Wizard maintains web</p><p>19 Fighter attacks thrice, ending fight (7/7 attacks)</p><p></p><p>In this scenario the fight ends after the orcs have two turns.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Case 2 - low fighter Initiative</p><p></p><p>20 Wizard readies web</p><p>18 Orcs move in, get webbed, attack (0/7 attacks)</p><p>17 Fighter attacks thrice (3/7 attacks)</p><p>20 Wizard maintains web</p><p>18 Orcs attack</p><p>17 Fighter attacks thrice (6/7 attacks)</p><p>20 Wizard maintains web</p><p>18 Orcs attack</p><p>17 Fighter attacks thrice, ending fight (10/7 attacks)</p><p></p><p>In this scenario the orcs have three turns to attack before being defeated. At the end of the first round there have been more attacks against the orcs, but by the start of the orcs second turn there have been less. The final result is that the orcs last longer and can harm the fighter more by the end of the fight. The actual situation is more complex, with a decreasing number of orcs over time, however gaining an additional attack before the orcs second turn will ALWAYS increase the likelihood of having defeated an additional foe sooner. Being one attack ahead means that you are always one attack closer to winning than if the readied attack did not occur.</p><p></p><p>To illustrate the problem with narrowing the scope, I will extend it to the extreme. If we consider the situation after the first turn instead of the first round we will see that the wizard has extended a spell slot with no change anywhere on the battlefield. We could then draw the conclusion that readying spells is worthless because in this situation of narrow scope it had no effect. This is of course laughably false, but helps illustrate why a broader scope is necessary.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jaelommiss, post: 6722285, member: 6775925"] I think you are placing too much emphasis on the first round rather than the time period before the orcs' second turns. Suppose that the orcs will require 7 attacks from the fighter to defeat, and that the wizard does nothing but maintain Web on his turns. Case 1 - high fighter Initiative 20 Wizard readies web 19 Fighter readies attack 18 Orcs move in, get webbed, get attacked by fighter, attack fighter (1/7 attacks) 20 Wizard maintains web 19 Fighter attacks thrice (4/7 attacks) 18 Orcs attack 20 Wizard maintains web 19 Fighter attacks thrice, ending fight (7/7 attacks) In this scenario the fight ends after the orcs have two turns. Case 2 - low fighter Initiative 20 Wizard readies web 18 Orcs move in, get webbed, attack (0/7 attacks) 17 Fighter attacks thrice (3/7 attacks) 20 Wizard maintains web 18 Orcs attack 17 Fighter attacks thrice (6/7 attacks) 20 Wizard maintains web 18 Orcs attack 17 Fighter attacks thrice, ending fight (10/7 attacks) In this scenario the orcs have three turns to attack before being defeated. At the end of the first round there have been more attacks against the orcs, but by the start of the orcs second turn there have been less. The final result is that the orcs last longer and can harm the fighter more by the end of the fight. The actual situation is more complex, with a decreasing number of orcs over time, however gaining an additional attack before the orcs second turn will ALWAYS increase the likelihood of having defeated an additional foe sooner. Being one attack ahead means that you are always one attack closer to winning than if the readied attack did not occur. To illustrate the problem with narrowing the scope, I will extend it to the extreme. If we consider the situation after the first turn instead of the first round we will see that the wizard has extended a spell slot with no change anywhere on the battlefield. We could then draw the conclusion that readying spells is worthless because in this situation of narrow scope it had no effect. This is of course laughably false, but helps illustrate why a broader scope is necessary. [/QUOTE]
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