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<blockquote data-quote="ProphetSword" data-source="post: 6865657" data-attributes="member: 79912">A very similar debate broke out last year on another forum, except in that case it was Shocking Grasp vs the Mage Slayer feat.&nbsp; The debate went around and around for almost 40 pages until things got really stupid and people started pulling out word acrobatics and stretched the rules to the point of absurdity to make their point.&nbsp; A lot of feelings were hurt along the way.&nbsp; So, having lived through that traumatizing debacle, I offer the following advice to everyone in this thread:The rules in 5th Edition D&amp;D are kept intentionally vague so that the DM can interpret each rule so that the feel is right for their group.&nbsp; Because of that, you are going to have a hard time finding solid rules to back up your position that can't be countered by other rules and opposite interpretations of the rules you present.&nbsp; Language is very fluid and multiple meanings can be taken from certain words.&nbsp; This leads to confusion.&nbsp; This also leads to arguments, and very rarely does it lead you to the actual answer you want.&nbsp;The ultimate answer to this question (and others like it) is:&nbsp; Whatever your DM says.&nbsp; If you are the DM, go with whatever feels right for your group.&nbsp; Make the ruling and stick with it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ProphetSword, post: 6865657, member: 79912"] A very similar debate broke out last year on another forum, except in that case it was Shocking Grasp vs the Mage Slayer feat. The debate went around and around for almost 40 pages until things got really stupid and people started pulling out word acrobatics and stretched the rules to the point of absurdity to make their point. A lot of feelings were hurt along the way. So, having lived through that traumatizing debacle, I offer the following advice to everyone in this thread: The rules in 5th Edition D&D are kept intentionally vague so that the DM can interpret each rule so that the feel is right for their group. Because of that, you are going to have a hard time finding solid rules to back up your position that can't be countered by other rules and opposite interpretations of the rules you present. Language is very fluid and multiple meanings can be taken from certain words. This leads to confusion. This also leads to arguments, and very rarely does it lead you to the actual answer you want. The ultimate answer to this question (and others like it) is: Whatever your DM says. If you are the DM, go with whatever feels right for your group. Make the ruling and stick with it. [/QUOTE]

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