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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nemesis Destiny" data-source="post: 6102369" data-attributes="member: 98255">Still missing the point. It's the particular implementation I don't like, and they don't offer an alternative that I do like in Next.Is it? Burying something in the DMG sounds like a bit of both. And TBH, I couldn't care less about 'standard' or 'tradition'. Adding something from 4e doesn't take away from someone else's idea of what is traditional, but by excluding it or relegating it to some obscure sidebar in another book, it would be drastically affecting MY "traditions."Yeah, and much as I loved what he did with Essentials, I think that's full of hooey. I heard about the "yelling limbs back on" nonsense. All that does is demonstrate a gross misunderstanding of what hit points actually are (if it wasn't just a base attempt to score cheap points with the hp-as-meat crowd). If it was their goal to piss all over the 4e playerbase and what we like, then that's a shortcut to success, right there. Inclusive, big-tent edition, indeed.That is about the weakest argument for something I have ever heard. That's what edition wars are made of. I don't want to deny anybody anything, but for that to work, I have to get what I want, too. So then I guess they have to choose which crowd to piss off, because to satisfy THIS person (and probably a lot more), it has to be a REGULAR option.</blockquote>