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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 6279716" data-attributes="member: 2011">Ok, I won't quote everything that you talked about, but here's the point.Where are your rules for this? You keep stating that RAW states such and such, but I don't see it in RAW.For example, page 26. "To make an attack, roll 1d20 and add the following: One-half your level, the relevant ability score modifier, all other modifiers. The total is your attack result."Are you claiming that the strength attack roll in Aid Another is not an attack? If so, then it doesn't following the modifier rules on the D20 roll for an attack. If that is the case, then which modifier rules does it use?Aid Another states: Choose a target within your melee reach and make a melee basic attack vs. AC 10.How is this not an attack? Where are the rules that this is NOT an attack?It has special rules. The AC is 10 instead of the AC of the target. The target does not take damage, etc.Exception based rules though. It's an attack because it follows the attack to hit rules, not the skill to hit rules or the ability check to hit rules.Can you post one rule ANYWHERE in the PHB that states that the only attacks come via attack powers (which btw, Aid Another does use an attack power)? Yes, there is a sentence in the Attack section that states that you determine the types of attacks you get via your attack powers, but that does not explicitly preclude attacks that everyone is capable of getting.I can post attack rules from the standard actions I listed:Grab: This isn't called a Strength check, it's called a Strength attack. It's not being applied to a DC, it's being applied to a Defense. It explicitly states to not add weapon modifiers because weapon modifiers can only be added to attacks.Look at page 26 in the PHB. There are attack checks, skill checks, and ability checks. Ability checks are explicitly called out as NOT being attacks. Hence, the only thing left on the page as far as a D20 roll is concerned for attack is Attack Checks.Just because there is debate on the Internet does not make it RAW.</blockquote>

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