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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 4994987" data-attributes="member: 82106"><p>Unfortunately there are a certain number of things you've ignored there. You don't have to ready an action related to a specific action of another creature at all. Therefor the rules stating the triggering creature must be an enemy and a specific creature are mutually contradictory with the rest of the action readying rules text. In fact readying would simply be useless in a large number of situations it is obviously (I mean they clearly state its useful for) intended to cover. Things like coordinating actions with an ally (IE "when Fred passes through the door I will slam the door"). If Fred happened to be an enemy creature that would be legal but it isn't legal simply because he's an ally? That makes no sense at all. It would also mean you couldn't do something like wait for a pendulum trap to swing past and then move simply because a trap isn't a creature and so can't be an enemy. Yet Ready an Action clearly states that you CAN do this kind of thing.</p><p></p><p>Thus my interpretation is that phrases like "It takes place after your enemy completes the action that triggers it." are not establishing requirements like the trigger has to involve an enemy, they are just descriptive of the mechanics. Likewise "as well as your intended target" doesn't mean that the trigger must have a specific creature as part of the triggering conditions, just that you must be able to unambiguously interpret the trigger with respect to a specific creature/object/event when it triggers. Likewise "Choose the action that will trigger your readied action" is using the term "action" in an informal sense to mean "something that happens", not a specific formal action taken by another creature.</p><p></p><p>This is all made pretty clear by the general description of ready an action which states clearly that it responds to an "event". </p><p></p><p>Thus I disagree that you can't ready on an ally's actions and in fact no text in the rules clearly says you can't. So you CAN ready on your ally setting off his shield power. Since your action will resolve directly after his, it will happen before the completion of the attack which triggered the use of shield. I see nothing in the rules text which contradicts this at all. </p><p></p><p>As an aside there are good reasons why this kind of thing would be unlikely to ever come up. Readying on an allies triggered action is a doubly risky move. Not only might your ally not ever choose to trigger shield, but the enemy might not even choose to attack that ally in the first place. Any time you ready an action you risk losing the action. Making it doubly dependent is even more of a risk. If it did ever come up it would be a very specific and unusual situation and it certainly wouldn't be something you would need to prevent players from trying.</p><p></p><p>Overall the DM is going to have a lot of leeway with these trigger conditions in deciding what is and isn't precise enough to allow. Its easy to come up with examples that probably shouldn't be allowed and the rules text is flexible enough to let the DM say yes or no as he sees fit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 4994987, member: 82106"] Unfortunately there are a certain number of things you've ignored there. You don't have to ready an action related to a specific action of another creature at all. Therefor the rules stating the triggering creature must be an enemy and a specific creature are mutually contradictory with the rest of the action readying rules text. In fact readying would simply be useless in a large number of situations it is obviously (I mean they clearly state its useful for) intended to cover. Things like coordinating actions with an ally (IE "when Fred passes through the door I will slam the door"). If Fred happened to be an enemy creature that would be legal but it isn't legal simply because he's an ally? That makes no sense at all. It would also mean you couldn't do something like wait for a pendulum trap to swing past and then move simply because a trap isn't a creature and so can't be an enemy. Yet Ready an Action clearly states that you CAN do this kind of thing. Thus my interpretation is that phrases like "It takes place after your enemy completes the action that triggers it." are not establishing requirements like the trigger has to involve an enemy, they are just descriptive of the mechanics. Likewise "as well as your intended target" doesn't mean that the trigger must have a specific creature as part of the triggering conditions, just that you must be able to unambiguously interpret the trigger with respect to a specific creature/object/event when it triggers. Likewise "Choose the action that will trigger your readied action" is using the term "action" in an informal sense to mean "something that happens", not a specific formal action taken by another creature. This is all made pretty clear by the general description of ready an action which states clearly that it responds to an "event". Thus I disagree that you can't ready on an ally's actions and in fact no text in the rules clearly says you can't. So you CAN ready on your ally setting off his shield power. Since your action will resolve directly after his, it will happen before the completion of the attack which triggered the use of shield. I see nothing in the rules text which contradicts this at all. As an aside there are good reasons why this kind of thing would be unlikely to ever come up. Readying on an allies triggered action is a doubly risky move. Not only might your ally not ever choose to trigger shield, but the enemy might not even choose to attack that ally in the first place. Any time you ready an action you risk losing the action. Making it doubly dependent is even more of a risk. If it did ever come up it would be a very specific and unusual situation and it certainly wouldn't be something you would need to prevent players from trying. Overall the DM is going to have a lot of leeway with these trigger conditions in deciding what is and isn't precise enough to allow. Its easy to come up with examples that probably shouldn't be allowed and the rules text is flexible enough to let the DM say yes or no as he sees fit. [/QUOTE]
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