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Readied actions triggering off of things that happen in the middle of an action
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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 4995402" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>Remember, though, that in terms of immediate reactions, "the triggering action" doesn't necessarily refer to a free/move/standard/whatever action. It's a more generic use of 'action' which can refer to a component of a [technical] action.</p><p></p><p>"<em>An immediate reaction might interrupt other actions a combatant takes after its triggering action. For example, if a power lets you attack as an immediate reaction when an attack hits you, your action happens before the monster that hit you can take any other action. If a monster has a power that lets it make two attack rolls against you as a standard action, and the first one hits, you can use an immediate reaction before the next attack roll.</em>"</p><p></p><p>In this case, the triggering 'action' is not the standard action the monster is taking; it is one of the attacks that occurs as a component of the action. Similarly, each square of movement that occurs as a component of a [technical] action can be 'the triggering action'.</p><p></p><p>This is still true in the case of Ready, since the Ready text makes the point that if a single power allows an enemy to move and then attack, the Ready action can trigger from the movement, and will occur after 'the triggering action', not after the completion of the entire [technical] action that comprises the use of the power.</p><p></p><p>'The triggering action', really, is a shorthand for 'the triggering action, event, or condition' - the things that can act as a trigger for an immediate action.</p><p></p><p>In our scenario, the enemy takes a standard action to attack, and is interrupted by the wizard's Shield power. The use of Shield is the triggering action, event, or condition, and we've already seen that if the use of a power can be broken into multiple components, an Immediate Reaction can react to an earlier component before a later component occurs, <em>even as part of the same [technical] action</em>. "After the enemy has completed his action" doesn't necessarily impose a requirement of the readied action triggering after the entire attack is resolved, because when it comes to reactions, <em>'action' doesn't always mean 'action'</em>.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 4995402, member: 1656"] Remember, though, that in terms of immediate reactions, "the triggering action" doesn't necessarily refer to a free/move/standard/whatever action. It's a more generic use of 'action' which can refer to a component of a [technical] action. "[i]An immediate reaction might interrupt other actions a combatant takes after its triggering action. For example, if a power lets you attack as an immediate reaction when an attack hits you, your action happens before the monster that hit you can take any other action. If a monster has a power that lets it make two attack rolls against you as a standard action, and the first one hits, you can use an immediate reaction before the next attack roll.[/i]" In this case, the triggering 'action' is not the standard action the monster is taking; it is one of the attacks that occurs as a component of the action. Similarly, each square of movement that occurs as a component of a [technical] action can be 'the triggering action'. This is still true in the case of Ready, since the Ready text makes the point that if a single power allows an enemy to move and then attack, the Ready action can trigger from the movement, and will occur after 'the triggering action', not after the completion of the entire [technical] action that comprises the use of the power. 'The triggering action', really, is a shorthand for 'the triggering action, event, or condition' - the things that can act as a trigger for an immediate action. In our scenario, the enemy takes a standard action to attack, and is interrupted by the wizard's Shield power. The use of Shield is the triggering action, event, or condition, and we've already seen that if the use of a power can be broken into multiple components, an Immediate Reaction can react to an earlier component before a later component occurs, [i]even as part of the same [technical] action[/i]. "After the enemy has completed his action" doesn't necessarily impose a requirement of the readied action triggering after the entire attack is resolved, because when it comes to reactions, [i]'action' doesn't always mean 'action'[/i]. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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