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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DracoSuave" data-source="post: 5018890" data-attributes="member: 71571">After the attack action has resolved, the attacker is no longer using Stealth.  Therefore there is no DC to check Perception against, and the character becomes aware of his attacker.Granted, using Stealth to get into that position is rather academic, as the character is effectively blind--but attacking breaks Stealth.  (unless they have an ability that says otherwise)In fact, the current surprise/stealth/perception rules take the fact that you're not a complete senseless bafoon into account, that you'll actually put on your game face when you're raiding a fortress of evil goblin slavers--that, effectively, you'll operate under the assumption that you'll actually encounter danger when you go into dangerous places.The Surprise round isn't interested if you think there's an enemy somewhere around there.  It's interested if you KNOW there's a SPECIFIC enemy right there.If no one is aware that specific enemy exists and where that enemy is, that specific enemy gets a surprise round.  If they are unaware of you and your presence, specifically you, you get a surprise round.If neither side is making Stealth checks (a reasonable thing in many situations) then both sides are aware of each other automatically and there is no surprise round at all.Also, Surprise is not based on -side- but on -combatant.-  In most situations, it shouldn't be an issue.  Most combatants aren't sneaking around in total cover, concealment, or what have you.  It's a rare few that do, and -those- guys get their surprise rounds.</blockquote>

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