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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tormyr" data-source="post: 6533307" data-attributes="member: 6776887">I don't think it would really matter, but I would say when it hits.  I have my players roll damage dice with their attack roll to speed up play.If the player said they would fire when they saw a goblin pop out, you could even give them a perception check and let the attacks fire simultaneously and still possibly satisfy the rules lawyer.But the way you set it up was awesome.RAW - rules as writtenRAI - rules as intendedRFA - rulings for awesomeRFL - rulings for laughschoose what fits your table. I float between all of those. I sometimes keep shenanigans in check, especially as we encounter rules for the first time (writing scrolls into spellbooks could fail and destroy the scroll). Intention when wording isn't clear. Awesome when it works in the situation, and our table has lots of laughs.One of my favorites was back when the party was level 3 and had a standoff with some evil clerics of Hextor and their goons.  The clerics were inviting the party to enter their arena (a killbox with the bad guys on a raised platform. The party wasn't budging.  The half-gnoll paladin of Heironeous walks into the middle of the arena to the statue of Hextor and pees on the statue. The half-orc cleric of Hextor is so enraged that he breaks ranks and jumps into the arena. The paladin is surprised by this and turns while still going.  I had him make a ranged attack roll. Natural 20. He hits the half-orc in the eyes at long range and temporarily blinds him. The fight breaks out, but the paladin retreats, and the party fights on their terms and barely wins.From that point on, the paladin had a new source for his holy water to "bless" things. This became a running joke in the campaign. Just last week, the party fought a CR13 cleric of Kyuss. He popped up antilife shell to keep everyone away.  My dice were on fire, and he made every concentration check. Lacking a decent ranged attack, the paladin peed and hit him in the face. That was when he failed his concentration check. Go figure.</blockquote>

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