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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 4571321" data-attributes="member: 11300">If I may ask you a question too. You (DandD) seem almost compelled to don armor and shield in defense of 4E as if critical discussion of it to you is abhorrent. If you don't like criticism of anything to do with 4E, why respond to an "anti" 4E thread? Why not just not respond to it? I enjoy both 3E and 4E (and in fact all D&D is Awesome!) and enjoy the discussion, warts and all of the game. Be it good or bad points, I find the diversity of views and opinions here at EN World interesting, dynamic and vital. However, this is twice in two days that I've seen you rushing to the defense of the latest version of the game as if her maidenhood was in direst need of protection. I really don't think you need to. Why not look for ways to encourage discussion rather than criticize the critical? Or simply, if a topic is not to your liking, simply don't post to it?For myself, I find the 4E books very clean and almost to a point clinical. Having read and used them for a almost half a year, I "know" pretty much what's in them. Now, you bring up 3E (I don't believe the OP did). The Players Handbook for me was not a clean document but it was interesting in it's own way - and not in terms of fluff which ranged from tepid to inspiring. There was a lot of minutiae in that book where as the 4E players handbook has cleaned out a lot of these details, as well as being a more concise, simpler presentation of rules.For me, there is not as much 4E meat to chew on, not as much detail. The plus side to this is that you get a game where you literally don't need to refer to the rulebook. The minus side to this is a book that is not quite as interesting, whether it be because of a lack of fluff/detail, or the topical minutae that some people enjoy. Another aspect is that 4E borrows so much from 3E. On first reading it (and getting over the wall of classes), a lot of the terminology and details I had already read and understood before in 3E. It is more in the playing that 4E shines, rather than in the reading.No it doesn't. You might just want to have a quick reread of what the OP said. Criticism of one thing does not mean automatic praise of another.Really? And if so, so? I don't think Andor was unreasonable, derogatory or illogical in his posting. It is a valid point and worthy of discussion for those that wish to do so.Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>

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