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<blockquote data-quote="jgbrowning" data-source="post: 313587" data-attributes="member: 5724">the roman war machineok here's the longer post, got the book infront of me.1. roman generalship2. command and control3. supply trains and baggage4. marching camp techniques5. supporting arms and weaponry6 waterborne operations7 siege warfare.those are the chapters. they cover much of interest on the nuts-and-bolts of moving that many men and equipment.things i liked,he shows how the romans would ocassionally use traditionally defensive actions for offense.... marching camps provided a safer area to &quot;fall back to&quot;. (this is apoor summation, but i hope you get the drift)through overview of logistics.&nbsp; honestly logistics are often the most important part of any war, more so than training, command and morale.&nbsp; you MUST feed your men.the sections about generalship and command and control show the different tecniques the romans used.&nbsp; Strategy and again the nuts-and-bolts about how the hell you communicate over distances given the tech level.the waterborne section is nice, discusses the building of ships etc...ok here the chart i was talking about.&nbsp; its his copyright so dont spread it aroundcolumn on the marchmarch timingsData: a march rate = 3 miles and hour&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; b distance to camp 2 is 10 miles&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; c&nbsp; overall lenght of marching column = 22.5 miles&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; d. departure time is H hourserial no.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; time&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; event&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; remarks1&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; H hour&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; recce group&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; departs camp I2&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +0 h 10m&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; VAnguard departs&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; followed by com-&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; camp I&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; mand group and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; main body3&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3h 20m&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Recce group arrives Camp II4&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3h 30m&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; VAnguard arrives camp II&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; followed by com-&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; mand group and&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; head of main body5&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +3h 30m&nbsp; CAmp layout commenced&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Tail of main body&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; departs camp I6&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; +3 h 30m&nbsp;&nbsp; Head of baggage train departs&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Tail ofmainbody&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; camp I&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; departs camp I7&nbsp; +4h&nbsp;&nbsp; Protective screen deployed&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; after arrival of 1st&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; legion8&nbsp;&nbsp; +4h 30m&nbsp; Fortifications commenced&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; after arrival of 2nd&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; legion9&nbsp; +6h 30m&nbsp; Tail of main body arrives Camp II&nbsp;&nbsp; 10&nbsp; +7h&nbsp; Head of baggage train arrives&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; sligtly slower march &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; camp II&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; rate than main body11 +7h 30m fortifications complete12&nbsp; +12h&nbsp; tail of baggage train arrives&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; column complete at &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; camp II(his source is Ceaser, de bello gallico, II, 17-28.)I've heard a few bad reviews about this book as well, mostly about how the author tends to digress abit about his service in WWII and honestly, although there are some simularities between the two time periods (situation wise) i think it would have been a better book if he would have just left them out.it does have a nice appendix about labour figures for common engineering tasks from the royal school of military engineering.&nbsp; it give the averge man hours expect to accomplish certain tasks (like clearing dense undergrowth with samplings up to 100mm diameter... 1 man could reasonallby be expected to clear 11.7 meters in 1 hour).&nbsp; though up for debate, this kind of information probably holds true for the roman time.&nbsp; but the romans did not have access to such high grade steel we use, so they may have taken a bit longer.&nbsp; But it helps get you in the ballpark.anyway, gotta run and eat.joe b.(also if you can find the Grand Strategy of the Roman Empire : From the First Century A.D. to the Third by edward n luttwak, read it.&nbsp; its a good evaluation of roman strategy.)edit:&nbsp; sorry the chart didnt turn out right, i hope you can piecemeal it together.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jgbrowning, post: 313587, member: 5724"] [b]the roman war machine[/b] ok here's the longer post, got the book infront of me. 1. roman generalship 2. command and control 3. supply trains and baggage 4. marching camp techniques 5. supporting arms and weaponry 6 waterborne operations 7 siege warfare. those are the chapters. they cover much of interest on the nuts-and-bolts of moving that many men and equipment. things i liked, he shows how the romans would ocassionally use traditionally defensive actions for offense.... marching camps provided a safer area to "fall back to". (this is apoor summation, but i hope you get the drift) through overview of logistics. honestly logistics are often the most important part of any war, more so than training, command and morale. you MUST feed your men. the sections about generalship and command and control show the different tecniques the romans used. Strategy and again the nuts-and-bolts about how the hell you communicate over distances given the tech level. the waterborne section is nice, discusses the building of ships etc... ok here the chart i was talking about. its his copyright so dont spread it around column on the march march timings Data: a march rate = 3 miles and hour b distance to camp 2 is 10 miles c overall lenght of marching column = 22.5 miles d. departure time is H hour serial no. time event remarks 1 H hour recce group departs camp I 2 +0 h 10m VAnguard departs followed by com- camp I mand group and main body 3 +3h 20m Recce group arrives Camp II 4 +3h 30m VAnguard arrives camp II followed by com- mand group and head of main body 5 +3h 30m CAmp layout commenced Tail of main body departs camp I 6 +3 h 30m Head of baggage train departs Tail ofmainbody camp I departs camp I 7 +4h Protective screen deployed after arrival of 1st legion 8 +4h 30m Fortifications commenced after arrival of 2nd legion 9 +6h 30m Tail of main body arrives Camp II 10 +7h Head of baggage train arrives sligtly slower march camp II rate than main body 11 +7h 30m fortifications complete 12 +12h tail of baggage train arrives column complete at camp II (his source is Ceaser, de bello gallico, II, 17-28.) I've heard a few bad reviews about this book as well, mostly about how the author tends to digress abit about his service in WWII and honestly, although there are some simularities between the two time periods (situation wise) i think it would have been a better book if he would have just left them out. it does have a nice appendix about labour figures for common engineering tasks from the royal school of military engineering. it give the averge man hours expect to accomplish certain tasks (like clearing dense undergrowth with samplings up to 100mm diameter... 1 man could reasonallby be expected to clear 11.7 meters in 1 hour). though up for debate, this kind of information probably holds true for the roman time. but the romans did not have access to such high grade steel we use, so they may have taken a bit longer. But it helps get you in the ballpark. anyway, gotta run and eat. joe b. (also if you can find the Grand Strategy of the Roman Empire : From the First Century A.D. to the Third by edward n luttwak, read it. its a good evaluation of roman strategy.) edit: sorry the chart didnt turn out right, i hope you can piecemeal it together. [/QUOTE]

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