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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8232115"><p>We are arguing in circles here. But like I said, i think this isn't exactly true, I think you are being reductive in your assessment of the female dark lords. But even if it were true, that doesn't make the entries bad. These tropes can still be well written, still have meaning to someone who wrote them (for good reasons, not bad ones) for the reasons I stated earlier. I think again, quality is being conflated with content seeming to match one's beliefs about the world. I don't think that is a good metric for measuring the value of art, music, literature or games. And it is doubly true when we are talking about something written in a different period of time, emulating literature from an even earlier period of time. My argument is the content fo the black box, including the female dark lords, worked. I see people dismissing them as dull. That is fair if you didn't like them. I am a little baffled that people have that reaction to characters like Jacqueline Renier, and Gabrielle Adere, but to each their own. I personally found these to be stark, compelling, interesting, and repugnant characters, which is all I want from a good villain. Plus they were really great to use in a game. They worked better than many other dark lords. Gabriele Adere was especially effective in that respect.</p></blockquote><p></p>