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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Guest&nbsp; 85555" data-source="post: 8232348"><p>This will be my last post on this topic as I don't want to derail the thread further. For the record I do not agree with Paul's conclusion there. I also don't agree a lot with his views on gothic and on horror. I think love and romance are important elements, I don't think they are the only elements, and I don't think tanking the line is a good option here. I also recognize that 5E Ravenloft is not going to be 2E Ravenloft. The point where I felt I was jumping in was when it was stated that the message was women aren't happy unless they have a man and babies. I was saying you can have tropes that get into that stuff without it meaning a message about that. When I was a kid my mom lost a child. This had a significant impact on me. It comes out in my writing and design. I wanted to give the designers of the black box fair credit and assume those kinds of things were present for reasons other than trying to send a negative message about women. I think we get into somewhat dangerous territory for writers and their self expression when we reach immediate conclusions about tropes. I don't think it is as simple as X trope is bad, and means this. That was my point. I agreed with your point about wanting more female dark lords. Even just for the purposes of this discussion only having two female dark lord entries in the black boxed set, felt like it made it hard to really establish visible patterns. There are very, very few RPG books that I would hold up as a 'great work'. The RoT boxed set is one of them. That is my reason for being so passionate and really putting pressure on criticisms I don't agree with. That is also why I keep mentioning it was co-authored by a female writer, I don't want Andria Hayday and Bruce Nesmith getting labeled as sexist, when I don't think they were at all (and I doubt they will be in here to defend themselves). And I don't think all women should feel the same way about it. Part of the reason I mentioned female writers also in Ravenloft was to point out women can have different opinions on this stuff (as presumably the women writers for Ravenloft who engaged these tropes felt differently about them than some of the posters here).</p></blockquote><p></p>

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