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<blockquote data-quote="Bedrockgames" data-source="post: 8252081" data-attributes="member: 85555"><p>Sure and you can blend that stuff in in a classic way. But the dolls, to me came off as puppet master like: which if you watch it is more classic horror IMO than say chucky (and I like chucky: just wouldn’t put him in Ravenloft). Plus there is gothic literature that touches on that kind of horror (not a huge leap from Hoffman’s Automaton to animate dolls). Gremlins is Joe Dante, who also did the howling. I would put his stuff more in the classic mold even though it can’t put in the 80s (gremlins to me fit the classic monster style). And gremlins themselves are an old trope (the point of the old man’s story about gremlins in airplanes was to connect them to that idea: there is a twilight episode about a gremlin for example). That stuff wasn’t what the writer of black box was arguing against: the black box is against heavy nude of gore, high body counts over subtle building of terror. It is about taking a more patient approach to horror. On the vampyre front: there is no doubt in my mind Ravenloft at times started emulating the masquerade and that always felt off to me (I just didn’t see Ravenloft as very goth club oriented like vampire was). Though I will point out those sunglasses might have been inspired by Gary Old man’s portrayal of Dracula rather than clubbing vampires (don’t remember what year Vampyres were introduced)</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="Bedrockgames, post: 8252081, member: 85555"] Sure and you can blend that stuff in in a classic way. But the dolls, to me came off as puppet master like: which if you watch it is more classic horror IMO than say chucky (and I like chucky: just wouldn’t put him in Ravenloft). Plus there is gothic literature that touches on that kind of horror (not a huge leap from Hoffman’s Automaton to animate dolls). Gremlins is Joe Dante, who also did the howling. I would put his stuff more in the classic mold even though it can’t put in the 80s (gremlins to me fit the classic monster style). And gremlins themselves are an old trope (the point of the old man’s story about gremlins in airplanes was to connect them to that idea: there is a twilight episode about a gremlin for example). That stuff wasn’t what the writer of black box was arguing against: the black box is against heavy nude of gore, high body counts over subtle building of terror. It is about taking a more patient approach to horror. On the vampyre front: there is no doubt in my mind Ravenloft at times started emulating the masquerade and that always felt off to me (I just didn’t see Ravenloft as very goth club oriented like vampire was). Though I will point out those sunglasses might have been inspired by Gary Old man’s portrayal of Dracula rather than clubbing vampires (don’t remember what year Vampyres were introduced) [/QUOTE]

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