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<blockquote data-quote="GX.Sigma" data-source="post: 6265060" data-attributes="member: 6690511"><p>Sorry about the misunderstanding. As for KotB, I absolutely agree about the logical inconsistencies, but I don't really understand what you mean when you say KotB doesn't support "divergence in a story," or player proaction, or that it's "the exact opposite of" a sandbox. Can you explain? It seems pretty open to me. The PCs can even rally the humanoids and attack the Keep if they want to (that's where all the good treasure is, anyway).</p><p></p><p>I'm not saying it's a good sandbox because of those aspects, but rather that it's a good introductory module because of those aspects. I do agree that if you're a DM who's been around the block, and your players have been around the block, then KotB isn't really useful.</p><p></p><p>It's more like I'm a new kid who's really excited about the lawn, and you're really bored with the lawn because you've been looking at it for so long, and I'm defending the fact that a lawn can be fun even when it's just a lawn. This isn't a great metaphor, and it's ironic that I'm more interested in what I consider the old-school style because it's new to me (after getting bored with a long "modern" campaign with lots of "story"). What I'm trying to say here is that we're at such different places in our gaming careers that something that's fun or worthwhile to me isn't necessarily going to be fun or worthwhile to you--though I think there's a large middle ground, and I'd love to play with you and experience how you run things, since I don't really understand what you mean just by reading it on the forum, and I'm still exploring my style.</p><p></p><p>I apologize if I've been anything less than civil, and I hope you will extend the same courtesy to me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GX.Sigma, post: 6265060, member: 6690511"] Sorry about the misunderstanding. As for KotB, I absolutely agree about the logical inconsistencies, but I don't really understand what you mean when you say KotB doesn't support "divergence in a story," or player proaction, or that it's "the exact opposite of" a sandbox. Can you explain? It seems pretty open to me. The PCs can even rally the humanoids and attack the Keep if they want to (that's where all the good treasure is, anyway). I'm not saying it's a good sandbox because of those aspects, but rather that it's a good introductory module because of those aspects. I do agree that if you're a DM who's been around the block, and your players have been around the block, then KotB isn't really useful. It's more like I'm a new kid who's really excited about the lawn, and you're really bored with the lawn because you've been looking at it for so long, and I'm defending the fact that a lawn can be fun even when it's just a lawn. This isn't a great metaphor, and it's ironic that I'm more interested in what I consider the old-school style because it's new to me (after getting bored with a long "modern" campaign with lots of "story"). What I'm trying to say here is that we're at such different places in our gaming careers that something that's fun or worthwhile to me isn't necessarily going to be fun or worthwhile to you--though I think there's a large middle ground, and I'd love to play with you and experience how you run things, since I don't really understand what you mean just by reading it on the forum, and I'm still exploring my style. I apologize if I've been anything less than civil, and I hope you will extend the same courtesy to me. [/QUOTE]
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