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<blockquote data-quote="Paul Grogan" data-source="post: 3461967" data-attributes="member: 45445">Thanks to everyone for their help on this so far.&nbsp; I'd like to forget my example now and go back to DMG, p.23Both sides aware but cannot Interact Immediately.&nbsp; For those people without DMG handy.&nbsp; Orcs in a room - a scout at the door sees the group approaching through a slot.&nbsp; The PC's hear the orcs in the room.&nbsp; Both sides aware, no interaction possible.&nbsp; It says to keep track of rounds.&nbsp; It says the orcs overturn a table and nock and arrow.&nbsp; The party cast spells and so on.&nbsp; Then the fighter opens the door and thats when initiative is called for.A couple of questions about this:1. Have the orcs readied actions?&nbsp; I would say yes although does it kinda breaks the rule that readying is a standard action so you can only do it in combat?2. When the door is opened and initiative is rolled, is everyone considered flat footed until they have had an action.&nbsp; I'm thinking yes.If the 2 above cases are true, then I think this might be the solution I am looking for.&nbsp; It means at best, the orcs get to shoot as the PC goes through the door if they lose initiative, but if they win initiative, they get to shoot at a flat footed opponent.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Paul Grogan, post: 3461967, member: 45445"] Thanks to everyone for their help on this so far. I'd like to forget my example now and go back to DMG, p.23 Both sides aware but cannot Interact Immediately. For those people without DMG handy. Orcs in a room - a scout at the door sees the group approaching through a slot. The PC's hear the orcs in the room. Both sides aware, no interaction possible. It says to keep track of rounds. It says the orcs overturn a table and nock and arrow. The party cast spells and so on. Then the fighter opens the door and thats when initiative is called for. A couple of questions about this: 1. Have the orcs readied actions? I would say yes although does it kinda breaks the rule that readying is a standard action so you can only do it in combat? 2. When the door is opened and initiative is rolled, is everyone considered flat footed until they have had an action. I'm thinking yes. If the 2 above cases are true, then I think this might be the solution I am looking for. It means at best, the orcs get to shoot as the PC goes through the door if they lose initiative, but if they win initiative, they get to shoot at a flat footed opponent. [/QUOTE]

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