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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Amal Shukup" data-source="post: 1652260" data-attributes="member: 6291">The way I've always seen this is that as the caster starts to cast, the  magic begins to manifest itself - tangible. It needs to be, actually, in order to be affected by the Counterspell. (Of course, it's not directly detectable bt the Counterspeller, so one wonders precisely how this manifesting magic is targetted exactly)At any rate, I see the magic as the spear being cocked and getting ready to be hurled...BUT the CounterSpell actually destroys the magic itself - toasting the spell. In contrast to the spear, which IS NOT destroyed by the Readied 'hide behind this here wall' Action...But a Readied Disintegrate Spell targeting the spear would... (but is it still 'attended' after it leaves the hand?   Ow! Brain hurts again!)I don't think Readied Actions need to be overhauled, just tweaked. Establish a universal rule (specifying sequence and consequences to triggering actions) then enumerate exceptions...I think in any case, a readied action would require that the triggering 'action' continues (most likely wasted). Where the diofficulty lies is in how the continuation occurs: - Is the spear thrown, or can it be retained for later use? (not actually thrown) - If it is NOT actually thrown, does it use up a True Strike? - Does the triggering action (not actually completed) provoke an AOO from the invisible opponent next to the attacker? (yes, I think so) - Is the magic of a triggering spell lost? (yes) - Can a readied action be provoked using the Bluff Skill? (I think so) - If so, how does a Counterspell manifest if no actual magic is in place to be countered? How does this change depending on the spell's normal 'target'? - No doubt many more...A'Mal</blockquote>

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