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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zulkir of Dartmouth" data-source="post: 540486" data-attributes="member: 9409">What does QED stand for?And if we rule it how we see it then fine.  Lets leave it at that.BUT,You see no reason to believe that people will assume spells must have these components.  But before you modify them with metamagic feats they ALL have one or both of these compontents.Therefore you can assume that an archer with no spell training or spellcraft ranks would ASSUME that when he sees a spell caster cast they would do something, like move or speak.  If the archer does not see this he would be hard pressed to ID if a spell is being cast.To take a real world example, I would like to say that I am watching a clown and I am going to shoot the clown when he attempts to blow up a balloon.  If the clown has a special ability that allows him to blow up his balloon with out moving or blowing air into the balloon how am I going to tell when he starts blowing up this balloon?Please explain using the same example, just so I am clear.</blockquote>