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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1263575" data-attributes="member: 2011">You said and I quote:&quot;Sure, roll initiative. If he doesn't get his combat action first, he &quot;acts first&quot;, but everyone reacts to the start of his action before he can complete it. Either that or give him a Bluff check against the other characters to obtain a surprise action, opposed by their Sense Motive checks.&quot;You gave two suggestions here. Which one is the actual rule?For someone who keeps claiming that I do not read and I do not understand the rules, you sure as heck do a lot of not reading what people write.Let me give you an example so that you can understand.PC party and NPC party in a combat. The PC Wizard readies an action to cast Magic Missile at the NPC Wizard when the Golem dies. The NPC Wizard readies an action to cast Magic Missile at the PC when the Golem dies. The Golem dies. Whose Magic Missile spell gets cast first? Are they simultaneous and hence, neither Wizard can disrupt the spell of the other Wizard? Do you roll some form of initiative?The rules do not handle this.Go back and reread my #3 case above:&quot;and all of their ready triggers go off simultaneously&quot;What part of simultaneously did you not understand?Which is not consistent.In combat, my readied action occurs because the trigger activates. Every time.Out of combat, my &quot;readied action&quot; occurs possibly before the trigger and possibly after.Hence, the reason that the &quot;cannot ready out of combat&quot; rule is bad.Whether the action occurs differs depending on whether you are in combat or not, not depending on whether you are successful or not. Any action you can do in combat you should be able to initiate combat with, including ready actions. It doesn't make sense that there are actions that the characters can do in a &quot;combat mode&quot; that they cannot initiate combat with out of combat.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1263575, member: 2011"] You said and I quote: "Sure, roll initiative. If he doesn't get his combat action first, he "acts first", but everyone reacts to the start of his action before he can complete it. Either that or give him a Bluff check against the other characters to obtain a surprise action, opposed by their Sense Motive checks." You gave two suggestions here. Which one is the actual rule? For someone who keeps claiming that I do not read and I do not understand the rules, you sure as heck do a lot of not reading what people write. Let me give you an example so that you can understand. PC party and NPC party in a combat. The PC Wizard readies an action to cast Magic Missile at the NPC Wizard when the Golem dies. The NPC Wizard readies an action to cast Magic Missile at the PC when the Golem dies. The Golem dies. Whose Magic Missile spell gets cast first? Are they simultaneous and hence, neither Wizard can disrupt the spell of the other Wizard? Do you roll some form of initiative? The rules do not handle this. Go back and reread my #3 case above: "and all of their ready triggers go off simultaneously" What part of simultaneously did you not understand? Which is not consistent. In combat, my readied action occurs because the trigger activates. Every time. Out of combat, my "readied action" occurs possibly before the trigger and possibly after. Hence, the reason that the "cannot ready out of combat" rule is bad. Whether the action occurs differs depending on whether you are in combat or not, not depending on whether you are successful or not. Any action you can do in combat you should be able to initiate combat with, including ready actions. It doesn't make sense that there are actions that the characters can do in a "combat mode" that they cannot initiate combat with out of combat. [/QUOTE]

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