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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 1264366" data-attributes="member: 2011">Except that initiative check results are made at the beginning of combat, not in the middle:3.5 PHB page 136&quot;At the start of a battle, each combatant makes an initiative check.&quot;Sure, you could do that in the middle of battle, but that is not the normal rules. That is a house rule. And again, it illustrates my point that there are no rules for simultaneous readies and each DM will do it his own way.On top of that, if you do initiative checks, then one caster IS winning over the other and he should be able to interrupt the other casters action. If you make them non-simultaneous, then the normal rules should apply.The point you are missing is that a ready action should make just as much sense out of combat as in combat. If I can point a crossbow at your head and shoot you if you decide to cast a spell in combat, I should be able to do that EXACT SAME ACTION out of combat.However, out of combat, I can only do that if I win initiative (according to the rules). I cannot just do it if I declare that I want to do it and my opponent does not want to &quot;out draw me&quot;. Sure, if my opponent wants to try something before I try to point the crossbow at him, we should roll initiative. But, if my opponent does not want to do that (maybe he does not see me or maybe he does not consider my crossbow to be a threat), then I should be able to declare that ready action out of combat.Having this nebulous metagaming concept of &quot;in combat&quot; and &quot;out of combat&quot; should not affect what can and cannot be done.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 1264366, member: 2011"] Except that initiative check results are made at the beginning of combat, not in the middle: 3.5 PHB page 136 "At the start of a battle, each combatant makes an initiative check." Sure, you could do that in the middle of battle, but that is not the normal rules. That is a house rule. And again, it illustrates my point that there are no rules for simultaneous readies and each DM will do it his own way. On top of that, if you do initiative checks, then one caster IS winning over the other and he should be able to interrupt the other casters action. If you make them non-simultaneous, then the normal rules should apply. The point you are missing is that a ready action should make just as much sense out of combat as in combat. If I can point a crossbow at your head and shoot you if you decide to cast a spell in combat, I should be able to do that EXACT SAME ACTION out of combat. However, out of combat, I can only do that if I win initiative (according to the rules). I cannot just do it if I declare that I want to do it and my opponent does not want to "out draw me". Sure, if my opponent wants to try something before I try to point the crossbow at him, we should roll initiative. But, if my opponent does not want to do that (maybe he does not see me or maybe he does not consider my crossbow to be a threat), then I should be able to declare that ready action out of combat. Having this nebulous metagaming concept of "in combat" and "out of combat" should not affect what can and cannot be done. [/QUOTE]

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