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<blockquote data-quote="Jeff Wilder" data-source="post: 1266578" data-attributes="member: 5122">I agree with almost your entire post, especially your analysis of &quot;initiative advantage.&quot;&nbsp; That's exactly why you can Ready in combat, but have to either gain surprise or win initiative out of combat: in combat, you're actually giving up something ... your earlier action.&nbsp; Out of combat, you have no advantage.(Note, however, that I do believe it's appropriate to continue going round-by-round in situations like an able wizard being covered by a crossbow, even if there're no actual attack rolls going on.&nbsp; Staying &quot;in combat&quot; in such situations would allow the Readied action.&nbsp; But eventually the guy covering has to relax, or gets distracted, or whatever, which is what always allows Jack Bauer to escape from under the gun barrel ... but I digress.)Strangely, though, you don't extrapolate to the &quot;simultaneous Ready&quot; problem, which seems to me an obvious next step.&nbsp; The first person to Ready had the advantage.&nbsp; He should keep that advantage over someone else who later Readies on the same trigger.&nbsp; I.e., IMO the first wizard resolves first, has the possibility of disrupting the other spell, and ends up ahead of the other wizard in the initiative order.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jeff Wilder, post: 1266578, member: 5122"] I agree with almost your entire post, especially your analysis of "initiative advantage." That's exactly why you can Ready in combat, but have to either gain surprise or win initiative out of combat: in combat, you're actually giving up something ... your earlier action. Out of combat, you have no advantage. (Note, however, that I do believe it's appropriate to continue going round-by-round in situations like an able wizard being covered by a crossbow, even if there're no actual attack rolls going on. Staying "in combat" in such situations would allow the Readied action. But eventually the guy covering has to relax, or gets distracted, or whatever, which is what [i]always[/i] allows Jack Bauer to escape from under the gun barrel ... but I digress.) Strangely, though, you don't extrapolate to the "simultaneous Ready" problem, which seems to me an obvious next step. The first person to Ready had the advantage. He should keep that advantage over someone else who later Readies on the same trigger. I.e., IMO the first wizard resolves first, has the possibility of disrupting the other spell, and ends up ahead of the other wizard in the initiative order. [/QUOTE]

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