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<blockquote data-quote="ThirdWizard" data-source="post: 2089974" data-attributes="member: 12037"><p>Yes. It can be heavily abused by the DM. But, I have found that many many things can be abused by the DM, so I don't worry about that (I'm the DM anyway). With pure Core rules, though, I think it was a perfectly balanced spell. Yes, some FR spells gave you Blindsight, and some other stuff. But, I wouldn't say that the problem is with <em>darkness</em>, but its combonation with non-Core sources, and I don't think it should be balanced off of non-Core sources, which really is a whole different issue (ie Spell Focus).</p><p></p><p>The worst that can be done, that I can see, is to either have Blind-fighting (keep Dex to AC, 2 concealment rolls, still have to locate their square) or blind-sense via polymorph (know what square they are in, still 100% concealment). Combine both at level 7, at which point if your opponents are heavily hindered by a 40' globe of darkness I think something is wrong. You could add in <em>web</em> or similar spell to hold them there. And then if you are, what's the point of the <em>darkness</em>? You've lost line of sight for targetd spells, and only that one character can go in and fight. As a dire bat?</p><p></p><p>I just don't see the problem. Tell me some of these combos to munkin out the spell, please.</p><p></p><p>Also, I do find it odd that the wizard had a detailed description of the inside of your pocket. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ThirdWizard, post: 2089974, member: 12037"] Yes. It can be heavily abused by the DM. But, I have found that many many things can be abused by the DM, so I don't worry about that (I'm the DM anyway). With pure Core rules, though, I think it was a perfectly balanced spell. Yes, some FR spells gave you Blindsight, and some other stuff. But, I wouldn't say that the problem is with [i]darkness[/i], but its combonation with non-Core sources, and I don't think it should be balanced off of non-Core sources, which really is a whole different issue (ie Spell Focus). The worst that can be done, that I can see, is to either have Blind-fighting (keep Dex to AC, 2 concealment rolls, still have to locate their square) or blind-sense via polymorph (know what square they are in, still 100% concealment). Combine both at level 7, at which point if your opponents are heavily hindered by a 40' globe of darkness I think something is wrong. You could add in [i]web[/i] or similar spell to hold them there. And then if you are, what's the point of the [i]darkness[/i]? You've lost line of sight for targetd spells, and only that one character can go in and fight. As a dire bat? I just don't see the problem. Tell me some of these combos to munkin out the spell, please. Also, I do find it odd that the wizard had a detailed description of the inside of your pocket. :p [/QUOTE]
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