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Message: <blockquote data-quote="aramis erak" data-source="post: 8291837" data-attributes="member: 6779310">By even a relatively moderate practical Catholic view, women in the presbyterate are heresy, period - the definition of dogma is that which cannot be changed, ever, as it's directly revealed word of God via the Church. Denial of any dogma is an automatic excommunication, until one forces assent of will upon accepting that same one. And it has multiply been dogmatically declared impossible to ordain women to the presbyterate. (Note that papal election is not considered a dogmatic act... and popes have been removed for belief of heresies - none taught them as pope, but there were a couple close calls.)Essentially, that's a change that would split the church in half, right quick. And if endorsed by a pope, he'd cease being the pope the moment he said it. And it's a break in verisimilitude for me. Huge one. I have a number of friends for whom, finding out Rev. Fr. Andrew Greely has written a prediction of the church embracing heresy, stopped reading any of his works. I've read that he was formally censured for The Final Planet.Different people are going to have different reactions to such. But when one portrays a long established "unchangeable truth" of a major religion in a recreational use setting (books, games), many of even the lax end of that faith are going to be annoyed by it. If one wants to have a Catholic church with female priests and bishops, it's better to use one of the many of the "schismatic catholic churches" which already ordain female priests and bishops. From the Roman viewpoint, that includes Mariavites, Utrecht Union, "Old Catholic" churches (all of which trace back to the Utrect Union), one of the Malabarese churches, a couple of odd Russian Orthodox  and Ukrainian Orthodox schimsatic groups...  Or to explicitly be set in an alternate timeline/universe, where that dogma never was declared.</blockquote>

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