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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Andre" data-source="post: 2452546" data-attributes="member: 25930">Any objections if we stop worrying about motives, agendas, and all that stuff and just focus on the more interesting (if less flameworthy) comments in this thread? Just a crazy thought... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> I'm going to try to put Quas's objections (as I understand them) in a framework that might make some sense. Instead of determining if a specific module is "well-designed", let's look at two systems.Original D&D brown/white box vs 3.x D&DWould anyone honestly say that 3.x is not better designed? It has a (mostly) core mechanic, simplified multiclassing rules, better (though still imperfect) balance among the classes, well-defined conditions and statuses, and so on. It is much more comprehensive than the original three booklets. It takes advantage of 20+ years of experience in designing rpg's.But is it more fun? That's an entirely different question, and far more subjective. Quas has admitted that a module can be badly designed and still be fun to any particular group. His objection is when someone equates "fun" with "well-designed". The two are by no means synonymous. In fact, I can think of many games I've played that were fun, not because they were well-designed, but despite the fact that they weren't. Part of the problem here (and in the Desert of Desolation thread) may be that we haven't yet defined what is good design. Quas has listed a number of items that he feels show poor design, and Gizmo has questioned whether or not those examples matter. So what does matter in good design? What examples can someone present of good or bad design? Maybe if we can better define this, we'll be able to get past the comments about agendas and motives.</blockquote>

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