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Message: <blockquote data-quote="bramadan" data-source="post: 101194" data-attributes="member: 1064">Re: Re: Re: Real world myths and legends: Who's Epic Level?I second the Hercules. Odiseus (why use latin speling when you could use greek <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> ) is geek's hero. Always has been. Macho Greeks despised him and comparing somenone to him was by no means a compliment. That said it only goes to show what a genius Homer was in writing an epic about this questionable character.I agree that most mythological heroes would be semwher on 10-20 level scale in DnD terms, of course if we allow for commesurate increase in magic availability as suggested in DMG. And I claim that there was never a mythological wizard (not talking gods here) that could match up with a 20th level DnD mage. Merlin ? No way, he still needed Arthur and Co. to fight all the battles he did some auguriing and some weather controll and a small-scale magical items manufacture and a lot of posturing. At best a 7th level druid. A double digit level wizard with a grain of inteligence would have so  many contingencies against that Viviane trap that noone would even bother about it. Baba Yaga ? Some serious items creation here and fairly nice polimorphing abilites, definitivly have fly spell but spells over the 6th level, I think not: 11th level sorceress. Galadriel ? Master craftsman of items (learned from Kelebrimbor), other than that most magic spent on preserving Lorien. Fine and good but equivalent to what DnD wise ? Other than that does some serius prophesisng and creates "continous light" item with "turn undead" feautures and a "nature's blessing" item. Generously, 9th level wizard.Gandalf ? Any wizard who fails to have fly spell memorized when spell-lunking either does not have it or is dumb. In conjuction with the fact that the most powerfull thing ever we see him cast is a flame-sphere I would say 4th level wizard with severely depleted list (and possibly a highish level fighter as he can use sword to some effect and has plenty of HP)     If you want a wizard of level higher then 11 but still bellow 14th-15th mark you have to go to the Arabian Myths but even there those wizards more often then not turn to be jinn or half-jinn.  Fighters you can find in myth that go to 20th level and possibly even a bit beyond (altrugh they tend to get deified as they do so.)  Hercules, Gilgamesh, CuChulain are probably the only ones from the "Classical" mythologies and that only towards the very end of their careers. Athenians would probably add Theseus. Sigurd s cool but not 20th+ level cool. If we say that a Dragon is a DnD Dragon, mature adult say, and stupid enough to go mano-a-mano even properly equiped 15th level shold be able to chop him into bits. Beowulf is probably 12th level or so with *realy* good physical stats. Arthur I don't think so. I do not recall stories o him singlehandedly defeating hundereds and hundreds of enemy footmen. (As a matter of fact the English King much more likely to qualify for the Epic is Richard Lionheart based on the stories of his exploits in palestine...)</blockquote>

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