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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Frostmarrow" data-source="post: 102271" data-attributes="member: 1122">I'm sure you are right, but I'll persevere <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />John Rambo in Rambo III is epic. He takes on an army on his own and wins. The interesting thing about Rambo is how we can see his development through the three movies. In First Blood he is a war veteran from the special forces. I'd say around 10th level ranger at this time.In Rambo - First blood II the colonel finds Rambo in prison. Rambo is sent into the jungles of Vietnam to free some POWs. I guess Rambo has added levels of barbarian or fighter. He has most certainly added to his already formidable Strength. Smashing rocks with a sledge tends to do that. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Conan is on the verge of becoming epic. Take a look at <a href="http://people.ne.mediaone.net/adilbrand/conan.htm" target="_blank">http://people.ne.mediaone.net/adilbrand/conan.htm</a> for a great presentation of Conan through twenty levels of barbarian, rogue and fighter! (Complete with crossreferences to the short stories.)Swedish agent hero Carl Hamilton (by Jan Guillou) is probably epic as well. There are ten books written about this character and just for starters: Carl Hamilton has completed SEAL-training five times. Yes, the US kind with hell week and all. He solves murders, assassinates spies, blows up military installations and is fighting a vendetta with the Sicillian Mafia. All his friends and relatives bites the dust though. 7 steps removed.He was voted man of the year by Time magazine and singelhandedly, armed with a plastic knife, killed all the terrorists on an Air France flight - which earned him the Honor Legion. Whilst on decorations Carl Hamilton has received the finest medals from the Russian, American, Norweigian, German, Swedish, French, Italian and British governments. Carl Hamilton is a millionaire, doctor in computers, a handball player of professional skill and a former member of Clarté - a communist society. He is also a kustjägare (coastal ranger, close to SEAL). Hamilton is a worldclass marksman and prefers the Beretta 92. But the books are more about international politics and dilemmas than the character...***SPOILER WARNING***Carl Hamilton is also a murderer on a private level. He accidentally kills a lover with a steak knife early in his career. She made a sudden move and he promptly cut her head off.Later on he starts to murder lots of people in and around Sweden serial-killer style on his own time. It turns out that all the people he murders are traitors of an oppressed people in the middle east.His body count is well above a hundred including professional and private murders.When all friends and relatives and wife's relatives and dog has been killed by the mafia Carl assumes a new identity and is living out a peaceful existance in California.***SPOILER OFF***Cheesy? Well then you should hear about Jan Guillou's new character - Arn, templar knight. This guy a beats Ivanhoe in a swordfight with ease. But that's another story. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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