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<blockquote data-quote="silentspace" data-source="post: 1607110" data-attributes="member: 14316"><p>Many people believe there is an objective, cross-cultural, universal standard of beauty. In fact, that is what many learned in school, based on older studies. </p><p></p><p>The study I referred to earlier, that found only one "universal" standard of beauty, was the best attempt at finding a cross-cultural standard. They in fact put all the previous studies to the test (studies which found that big eyes, for example, was universally considered beautiful). They went out of their way to find isolated settlements who had as little access as possible to western media, something that few previous studies did. They found that all of the previous findings, such as the ones you mentioned, were not true. They were only able to find one universal standard, which was the ratio of waist to hips. I don't believe they considered symmetry - that study was much later.</p><p></p><p>You have to keep in mind that most studies are done within the constraints of a specific culture, and don't in fact consider other cultures. This cultural bias is pervasive. We celebrate the explorers and 'discoverers' of new territories where humans have already been living for thousands of years. Previous studies on 'universal' beauty were not universal at all, but actually only considered other cultures that were already, in the larger scheme of things, very similar to the culture of the researchers.</p><p></p><p>This does not in any way refute or invalidate any other findings. Only that just because something is universal in one culture does not mean it is universal in all cultures.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="silentspace, post: 1607110, member: 14316"] Many people believe there is an objective, cross-cultural, universal standard of beauty. In fact, that is what many learned in school, based on older studies. The study I referred to earlier, that found only one "universal" standard of beauty, was the best attempt at finding a cross-cultural standard. They in fact put all the previous studies to the test (studies which found that big eyes, for example, was universally considered beautiful). They went out of their way to find isolated settlements who had as little access as possible to western media, something that few previous studies did. They found that all of the previous findings, such as the ones you mentioned, were not true. They were only able to find one universal standard, which was the ratio of waist to hips. I don't believe they considered symmetry - that study was much later. You have to keep in mind that most studies are done within the constraints of a specific culture, and don't in fact consider other cultures. This cultural bias is pervasive. We celebrate the explorers and 'discoverers' of new territories where humans have already been living for thousands of years. Previous studies on 'universal' beauty were not universal at all, but actually only considered other cultures that were already, in the larger scheme of things, very similar to the culture of the researchers. This does not in any way refute or invalidate any other findings. Only that just because something is universal in one culture does not mean it is universal in all cultures. [/QUOTE]
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