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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Argyle King" data-source="post: 9703210" data-attributes="member: 58416">I can't speak for Celebrim.For me personally:•Suspension of disbelief is something I can get from games. That I can buy into the world that the game is presenting to me and think from a perspective that is more of the character's perspective; make decisions from the perspective of what makes sense in a given situation and from the mindset of the character is something I am capable of doing is something I prefer from a game. It needn't be a perfect model of reality, but what's going on in the game shouldn't grossly violate what makes sense. •I definitely do find that GURPS leads to results that are more intuitive for me. Fire burns and behaves like fire; HP has some semblance of meaning; etc. Like you, I cut down a lot of rules. But what makes me confident in cutting down some of the rules is feeling that the rules and the structure of the game are less often clashing against how I think something should be ruled.•I can and have enjoyed games that are built as games first and less concerned about some manner of being "intuitive." However, it helps if the game (or the group with whom I'm playing the game) tells me that up front. There was a time when I loathed D&D 4th Edition, but that was primarily due to the game being advertised as a different experience than it was. When I used it for what it actually was, I enjoyed it. •This doesn't apply to you. It's more of a general train of thought: I've noticed that a lot of people appear to be of the mind that "fiction first" and narrative play is at odds with simulation/emulation and crunch. I don't believe that. For me, I think fiction and narrative can be built upon and organically emerge from a solid mechanical foundation. Crunch (rules) and fluff (non-rules) should work in tandem and have a coherent relationship. •I don't particularly like tic-tac-toe. I don't think that the mechanics of tic-tac-toe would suit the OP's needs.</blockquote>

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