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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wraith-Hunter" data-source="post: 3314117" data-attributes="member: 48298">If you want to read a very interesting book about killing and the psychology behind it there is this book: "On Killing" by Dave Grossman <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316330116/sr=8-1/qid=1170257650/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9924832-3126421?ie=UTF8&s=books" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Killing-Psychological-Cost-Learning-Society/dp/0316330116/sr=8-1/qid=1170257650/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-9924832-3126421?ie=UTF8&s=books</a>There is alot of evidence that the VAST majority of the population is very resistant to taking life, even in defense of their own. The book details many battles and the %'s of people who were fighting or faking it. Most of the human race is incapable of killing for several reasons.It also talks about modern combat and the need to allowing troops R&R so that they don't go nuts.On a D&D note it is ALOT different killing members of another race than of your own race. In situations where large numbers of people are killed, say the holocost or other government sponsored genocides, first the people to be killed have to be dehumanized in the killers mind before they can do the deed. Again the holocost is probably the most documented account of this happening, though one of the smaller genocides in the 20th century. 6 million compared to the 180 million world wide during the 20th century. But in all the situations the murdered people are first dehumanized buy the killers long before the killing starts. In D&D terms it is going to be ALOT easier to kill and owlbear, goblins, orcs or Dragons than killing members of your own race, or members of another race you see as people (easier mentaly  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> )This is anedoctal can't remeber where I heard or read it was that there out of 100 soilders 90 of them are useless and should be someplace else. 9 are fighters and fight well and 1 is a true warrior.After all the martial arts I have taken I gave up on trying to model realalistic combat. I just look at it as an abstract. The biggest thing I hate is that you can get somebody from behind that has any kind of level and hold a dagger to his thoat and threaten his life. I also don't like how if you have 100 hit points you are 100% effective at 1 hit point as you are at 100 and then you are OUT! But I can live with the abstract system. Anything even slightly more realalistic is going to take EVEN LONGER to resolve, and in the end make players die more often. Anything random ALWAYS favors the DM/enemies in D&D, becaue there are an unlimited number of them.  Being into firearms I know LOTS of stories about people that have taken multiple shots from serious weapons and lived and were fine physically after wards. I have also read stories about people dieing after being shot with a BB gun, happened in FL in the last 6 months. I've been shot with a BB gun a few times being a stupid kid and though they hurt I never came close to dieing. Drugs also can play a big role in the outcome as well. Many block pain or give you a 'rage like' ability, akin to temp hitpoints. This is why pepper spray is useless on some attackers. (I even know a dude who uses it on chicken wings - yuck).In the defensive firearm classes I have taken, shot placement is KEY. In a defensive situation you aim for a inverted triangle made up from the collar bones to the sternum to STOP the attacker. Unfourtunately IDPA and IPSC scoring does not use this location system, for them it is either a head shot or center of mass where it would be most effective in betweenThere are also many accounts of thick clothing greatly slowing down or stopping smaller caliber ammunition or certain hollow points. Also in firearms the ammount of energy transfered to a target is key. A fast moving round of ball ammunition (think .40 & 9mm) might hit and go through the body without transfering its energy to the target. Where a large hollow point say a .45 might expand to much on thick clothing and loose too much energy before hitting the target. Other less powerfull rounds have been known to be stopped by leather jackets, .32 and .38Contrary to popular belief a bullet must be optimal to its target. There is no perfect gun and no perfect bullet. Some bullets penetrate more some less. Depending what you are shooting and WHERE you shoot is is all factored into bullet choice. .223 is not even recomended for medium game like deer, but on a similar size human our military uses it against men. There is even ammunition now that is very high tech that will cut through body armor and not through soft targets. Cool stuff, this was developed because of increased criminal use of body armor. Serious hunters also match bullet calliber, weight, characteristics etc for what animal they are hunting. Even in the same caliber and the same gun 2 different bullets can have VASTLY different characteristics. Self defense ammunition tries to be a generalist in a specialists world. And if you go to a gun board there are endless arguments over big and slow (.45) and small and fast (9mm and similar) as to what is better. This topic will come up at least once a week and last 300+ posts. And is never resolved. Probaby won't be untill we have plasma rifles  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool    :cool:"  data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /></blockquote>

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