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Message: <blockquote data-quote="mmadsen" data-source="post: 3316619" data-attributes="member: 1645">Yes, that was exactly the point.  The number of shots or stab wounds to kill or incapacitate someone is highly variable.I'm not sure that's quite true.  I think many die quite slowly and many don't die after all, and in the middle of a melee (rather than a duel), I think many keep fighting just fine (for a few minutes).For whatever reason, people have conflated detail and realism.  I don't think it's unrealistic at all to have an abstract damage system.  Plenty of serious wargames, including those used by the military, are quite abstract.The real issue is something I mentioned earlier: From a realism perspective, the problem is not that a high-level D&D fighter can survive a dozen sword cuts and spear thrusts but that he cannot die by any one attack.Might I add, that high-level fighter doesn't have to be the hero of our story in order to enjoy plot protection in D&D.  No great warrior ever takes a lance in the eye in D&D.  In a heroic game, we don't want the actual heroes dropping like flies, but that's a separate issue from how hardy characters are in general.</blockquote>