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<blockquote data-quote="painandgreed" data-source="post: 3319045" data-attributes="member: 24969">Realisitic modern d20 combat would be lots of hide, move silently, spot, and listen checks.&nbsp; Hiding behind cover. Listen checks to determine the general location of the enemy. Moving silently so the enemy doesn't know you're in a different postion. Making spot checks with bonus for your listen checks to see the enemy (big bonus if they're still shooting). Spoting a guy is contested against his hide roll and may take a few rounds to see where he is well enough to shoot back. Even then, when spotting a person, you'd have to make the roll by five or more than needed to determine if it was friend or foe many times (leaving them with choice to shoot at the unkown figure knowing they might hit a friend or let the bad guy shoot them first).People also like to take cover and stay there. If shooting is going on, it would probably be something like a DC 10 Will check to look from behind cover and shoot back. DC 15 or 20 if shots are hitting real close.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="painandgreed, post: 3319045, member: 24969"] Realisitic modern d20 combat would be lots of hide, move silently, spot, and listen checks. Hiding behind cover. Listen checks to determine the general location of the enemy. Moving silently so the enemy doesn't know you're in a different postion. Making spot checks with bonus for your listen checks to see the enemy (big bonus if they're still shooting). Spoting a guy is contested against his hide roll and may take a few rounds to see where he is well enough to shoot back. Even then, when spotting a person, you'd have to make the roll by five or more than needed to determine if it was friend or foe many times (leaving them with choice to shoot at the unkown figure knowing they might hit a friend or let the bad guy shoot them first). People also like to take cover and stay there. If shooting is going on, it would probably be something like a DC 10 Will check to look from behind cover and shoot back. DC 15 or 20 if shots are hitting real close. [/QUOTE]

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