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<blockquote data-quote="Dremmen" data-source="post: 3326977" data-attributes="member: 30977">That just doesn't seem even a little right.....but I agree with your point that sometimes PCs need to be reminded that they are mortal. Taken down a notch or two, from time to time. For their own good. If you don't...well, an anecdote from one of the largest campaigns I've ran. This was the last session, where the two groups that were playing in my campaign albeit from different angles, had joined and now were this huge 10 PC group. A Wizard in the bunch had played smart the whole game, and thanks to meat shields and timely spells, had become pretty powerful without ever being reminded that indeed he was not godlike. The reminder came in the form of Lolth coming out of a gate ( not her avatar ) to tangle with Orcus, who the party had just revived ( unwittingly ). It was supposed to be one of those moments where the DM reads a bit of narrative and the party goes oooh and aaah until the titans move on. The Wizard decided to maximize a lightning bolt at Lolth. Despite incredulous stares from everyone at the table, he was adamant. So then I actually had to scan through Lolth's abilities - one of them being that most magic under a certain level is automatically deflected back to the caster when Lolth was the intended target.So anyways, without Lolth even noticing, the Wizard fried himself. SO much damage - it was easily more than twice his hp. The poor player was quite speechless and got quite red faced - I'm not sure if from embarrassment or anger at losing a PC he'd gotten so powerful or what. Whatever, hopefully it was a lesson learned for him.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dremmen, post: 3326977, member: 30977"] That just doesn't seem even a little right... ..but I agree with your point that sometimes PCs need to be reminded that they are mortal. Taken down a notch or two, from time to time. For their own good. If you don't...well, an anecdote from one of the largest campaigns I've ran. This was the last session, where the two groups that were playing in my campaign albeit from different angles, had joined and now were this huge 10 PC group. A Wizard in the bunch had played smart the whole game, and thanks to meat shields and timely spells, had become pretty powerful without ever being reminded that indeed he was not godlike. The reminder came in the form of Lolth coming out of a gate ( not her avatar ) to tangle with Orcus, who the party had just revived ( unwittingly ). It was supposed to be one of those moments where the DM reads a bit of narrative and the party goes oooh and aaah until the titans move on. The Wizard decided to maximize a lightning bolt at Lolth. Despite incredulous stares from everyone at the table, he was adamant. So then I actually had to scan through Lolth's abilities - one of them being that most magic under a certain level is automatically deflected back to the caster when Lolth was the intended target. So anyways, without Lolth even noticing, the Wizard fried himself. SO much damage - it was easily more than twice his hp. The poor player was quite speechless and got quite red faced - I'm not sure if from embarrassment or anger at losing a PC he'd gotten so powerful or what. Whatever, hopefully it was a lesson learned for him. [/QUOTE]

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