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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8007563" data-attributes="member: 16814">Again, I think you might want to go and re-read the scene presented by [USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER].  This is not a good summary of that scene, nor are the turtles stacked in any way as you seem to suggest.  The Baron was challenged and the result was that the Captain of the Guard supported the PCs in the resulting narration.  There was only one "turtle" here, the result of the contest between the insulting PC and the Burgomaster.  It was just narrated in a way that added an NPC to the scene in a way beneficial to the PCs because the PC succeeded in that contest.  There is no Captain turtle.Again, this has nothing to do with [USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER]'s suggestions nor my follow-ups -- we aren't advocating any such chain at all.  I'm extremely confident that [USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER] has no problem leveling painful consequences for failures, nor do I.  We're both fans and advocates of PbtA games, MBC being a fan of Dungeon World, and me primarily of Blades in the Dark.  Both of these games are predicated on failure snowballs driving the action through increasing consequences.  There's very little possibility that following [USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER]'s suggests would lead to going soft on PC failures unless your adding something to his posts he hasn't advocated.Your advice is well heeled, and good advice, but you really shouldn't suggest that it's important advice to balance against [USER=6696971]@Manbearcat[/USER]'s points.  Your advice doesn't address anything he's proposed, except in the general sense that it might apply to anyone as general advice.</blockquote>

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