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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8008899" data-attributes="member: 29398">Interesting.I'm almost the opposite, in that I prefer a campaign to be open-ended and NOT to have an obvious visible end-point until and unless we reach it.  Even when I'm roughly planning ahead as a DM and can see a possible end-point, there's no guarantee we'll ever get there (which is the state in my current campaign; I've a vague end point in mind but for all I know it'll never be reached).  Side quests, unrelated adventures, player-driven adventures, extended downtime activities - all of these quite nicely divert from any progress toward an end state, and that's fine with me. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />That said, defineable goals and end-points and even quasi-hard-APs can certainly be embedded within a larger campaign; but the end of the AP merely turns those characters loose to go do something else in the setting - join other parties, carry on together, retire, or whatever.Come to think of it, of the last two quasi-AP's I've had in my campaign one was entirely a long side-quest (literally, as in three characters got Quest-ed to do something) and the other's relationship to the overall plot didn't become apparent until quite some time afterwards.</blockquote>