Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions, OSR, & D&D Variants
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Realistic Consequences vs Gameplay
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8009130" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>Without knowing what the established fiction in your example or what action X is, I can't blanket answer your question. This isn't being coy -- what's grounded in the fiction for a given action is directly related to what's currently going on in the scene and what's already been established.</p><p></p><p>For instance, if it's been established in the fiction that Bob the NPC is blind, and a PC declares they show Bob a picture, then the outcome is that Bob can't see the picture. No roll is available for that action for which any outcome is possible -- showing a blind man a picture cannot make the blind man see the picture. However, if the PC leverages some means that fits the fiction to cure the blindness so they can show the picture, presumably using magic or medicine, then that action is grounded in the fiction in that it acknowledges the blind NPC as part of it's declaration.</p><p></p><p>I'm going to carry this last example into genre appropriateness. If we're playing a D&D game, then the action to cure Bob with magic is genre appropriate. An action to cure Bob with medicine is not (it's not in the genre understanding of non-magical medicine to be able to cure blindness). However, if we're playing a sci-fi game, then magic is not genre appropriate, but medicine may be (depending on tech levels and whatnot). If the sci-fi setting includes magic via 'sciency' powers, well, then, magic is back on the table as genre appropriate, couched in the proper terminology (psionics, nanites, whatever). </p><p></p><p>These aren't things that I would consider terribly difficult to grasp. They're not an attempt to carve out anything special. Grounded in the fiction simply means honors established fiction. Genre appropriate simply means that the action makes sense in the genre of game you're playing. These aren't high bars for most players, who are going to do this normally without prompting. I keep bringing them up in these discussions to forestall people from outlandish examples they think match the adjudication methods I'm discussing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8009130, member: 16814"] Without knowing what the established fiction in your example or what action X is, I can't blanket answer your question. This isn't being coy -- what's grounded in the fiction for a given action is directly related to what's currently going on in the scene and what's already been established. For instance, if it's been established in the fiction that Bob the NPC is blind, and a PC declares they show Bob a picture, then the outcome is that Bob can't see the picture. No roll is available for that action for which any outcome is possible -- showing a blind man a picture cannot make the blind man see the picture. However, if the PC leverages some means that fits the fiction to cure the blindness so they can show the picture, presumably using magic or medicine, then that action is grounded in the fiction in that it acknowledges the blind NPC as part of it's declaration. I'm going to carry this last example into genre appropriateness. If we're playing a D&D game, then the action to cure Bob with magic is genre appropriate. An action to cure Bob with medicine is not (it's not in the genre understanding of non-magical medicine to be able to cure blindness). However, if we're playing a sci-fi game, then magic is not genre appropriate, but medicine may be (depending on tech levels and whatnot). If the sci-fi setting includes magic via 'sciency' powers, well, then, magic is back on the table as genre appropriate, couched in the proper terminology (psionics, nanites, whatever). These aren't things that I would consider terribly difficult to grasp. They're not an attempt to carve out anything special. Grounded in the fiction simply means honors established fiction. Genre appropriate simply means that the action makes sense in the genre of game you're playing. These aren't high bars for most players, who are going to do this normally without prompting. I keep bringing them up in these discussions to forestall people from outlandish examples they think match the adjudication methods I'm discussing. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*TTRPGs General
Realistic Consequences vs Gameplay
Top