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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 8013784" data-attributes="member: 6795602">You said "If you want to talk about sums and parts" which implies that I want to talk about sums and parts when I don't.  And more importantly it read as a rather dismissive opening to whatever counterpoint you were going to make.  That perceived dismissiveness and incorrectness of the statement caused the offense, but apparently based on your comment here it was not intended as such.  With no offense intended I no longer take it as such.I disagree and more importantly I already explained why.  You are just restating the same thing here without giving one word to my objection.  For your convenience I've reposted it.The question of "how much control do you feel you have over the story you are helping to tell" is only a meaningful indicator of a single type of player agency.  It doesn't address the other type/types1.  No one here is bound by your definition of agency.  That said, I do try to address what you mean and not just the term you are using.2.  If your definition of agency is not so simple, then it's very possible I missed something important from it.3.  Repeating yourself that D&D is low agency isn't helpful.  My point was that there are at least 2 types of player agency and so your statement isn't entirely correct.  You could maybe address why you disagree with my point instead of repeating yourself?Hmmmm.... let me get this straight, you are telling me I've using a wrong term which I would be willing to discuss, but then you tell me that based on the term I'm not even using that I've badly misunderstood everything.IMO it's more likely that I'm using the term in a way that doesn't align with how you use any of your terms and that to reconcile that difference you are trying to force my use of the term to align to a different term of yours even though it doens't.  I mean it would be a lot simpler for you if I was simply using fictional as you use narrative.  That's what I believe is happening here.I don't think mine is particularly unique - others seem to understand me pretty well and a lot of vocabulary on this topic is based on what others have said.  That said, you say "fictional outcomes" very different than narrative control.  So please give me an example of a fictional outcome, or maybe even a few.  I'd like to see for myself how they actually differ.Point was Just that you appeared you understand the impact and importance of what was going on there and now it appears you are taking quite a different position.</blockquote>

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