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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8013861" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>No you haven't. If I have to ask you to pass me the salt, you have full agency to say yes or no. I am 100% reliant on your agency to get what I want. If your choice aligns with my desires, great, but my agency means diddly unless I get up to get the salt myself or rudely lean across you and grab it. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. Meaning that it's the DM's agency that decided it, not the player's. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure. If the players can override the DM, they have agency. They are the ones deciding yes or no, unlike in the above examples.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And this is like the salt and rations. The DM is unilaterally exercising control over the content of the shared fiction and deciding to grant your request.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And he has the ability to touch the bottom with a good portion of his body out of the water. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></p><p></p><p>I don't know if you've ever tried to hit someone with a noodle or something will in water that is deeper than you are tall. You aren't very effective and that's with something light. Deep water would also inhibit the ability to swing, even if you can stand.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is curious. It was established in the fiction via the argument with the Count that there would be a charge during the battle the next day, it just wouldn't be the PCs that lead it. How were the players able to negate that by engaging a night time raid? Shouldn't there have been both the night time raid AND the day battle with the charge?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8013861, member: 23751"] No you haven't. If I have to ask you to pass me the salt, you have full agency to say yes or no. I am 100% reliant on your agency to get what I want. If your choice aligns with my desires, great, but my agency means diddly unless I get up to get the salt myself or rudely lean across you and grab it. Sure. Meaning that it's the DM's agency that decided it, not the player's. Sure. If the players can override the DM, they have agency. They are the ones deciding yes or no, unlike in the above examples. And this is like the salt and rations. The DM is unilaterally exercising control over the content of the shared fiction and deciding to grant your request. And he has the ability to touch the bottom with a good portion of his body out of the water. :p I don't know if you've ever tried to hit someone with a noodle or something will in water that is deeper than you are tall. You aren't very effective and that's with something light. Deep water would also inhibit the ability to swing, even if you can stand. This is curious. It was established in the fiction via the argument with the Count that there would be a charge during the battle the next day, it just wouldn't be the PCs that lead it. How were the players able to negate that by engaging a night time raid? Shouldn't there have been both the night time raid AND the day battle with the charge? [/QUOTE]
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