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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8014560" data-attributes="member: 16814">And, that's cool.&nbsp; But, I question the location at which you've cited agency.&nbsp; Simply, if deciding is the location of the agency, then how do downstream things have the ability to negate it?&nbsp; If I decide to swim the river, you're saying that's where agency happens.&nbsp; But, you also say that if the fictional state doesn't change because of that decision and intervening action declaration to operationalize it, then agency isn't involved.&nbsp; I don't understand how I have agency at the moment of decision but then lose it if the follow-on action declaration is resolved in a way that doesn't change the fiction.&nbsp; Doesn't it seem that the actual action here, the real deciding point, is if the fiction changes?I'm not trying to harp on your point, I'm trying to understand because it doesn't flow for me.&nbsp; I don't see how a downstream effect can render agency moot if it resides in the act of deciding.&nbsp; Oh, and then there's the question of if I change my mind after deciding and decide something else, do I double my agency (not a serious question, attempted joke)?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8014560, member: 16814"] [B][/B] And, that's cool. But, I question the location at which you've cited agency. Simply, if deciding is the location of the agency, then how do downstream things have the ability to negate it? If I decide to swim the river, you're saying that's where agency happens. But, you also say that if the fictional state doesn't change because of that decision and intervening action declaration to operationalize it, then agency isn't involved. I don't understand how I have agency at the moment of decision but then lose it if the follow-on action declaration is resolved in a way that doesn't change the fiction. Doesn't it seem that the actual action here, the real deciding point, is if the fiction changes? I'm not trying to harp on your point, I'm trying to understand because it doesn't flow for me. I don't see how a downstream effect can render agency moot if it resides in the act of deciding. Oh, and then there's the question of if I change my mind after deciding and decide something else, do I double my agency (not a serious question, attempted joke)? [/QUOTE]

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