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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8014708" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't understand all this talk about players editing scenes.GM: There's an orc in front of you!
Player: An orc? I draw my sword and stab it dead!
&lt;dice are rolled and rules applied&gt;
GM: OK, now there's a dead orc in front of you.Or how about this one (borrowed from [USER=16814]@Ovinomancer[/USER]):GM: OK, so as you're hanging out in the bar a thug comes at you with a knife!
Player: Jeeprs, a knife? And me with nothing but my leathers and a mean attitude. I look around for something to defend myself with - maybe there's a spitoon nearby?
&lt;dice are rolled and rules applied&gt;
GM: OK, the spitoon you reach for is pretty slippery, but your leathers and attitidue come through for you: you suffer nothing worse than a cut across the ribs.If the player can't change the fiction, which means changing the scene, what are they playing for?We can talk about what sort of action declarations are permissible given rules, genre, etc. We can talk about who gets to frame scenes ie who gest to decide which character is where with whom confronted by what. But I just don;t find the language of editing scenes to be very helpful at all. Because in basic structure - of framing and of resolution there's no difference between the two examples I posted.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8014708, member: 42582"] I don't understand all this talk about [I]players editing scenes[/I]. [indent]GM: There's an orc in front of you! Player: An orc? I draw my sword and stab it dead! <dice are rolled and rules applied> GM: OK, now there's a dead orc in front of you.[/indent] Or how about this one (borrowed from [USER=16814]@Ovinomancer[/USER]): [indent]GM: OK, so as you're hanging out in the bar a thug comes at you with a knife! Player: Jeeprs, a knife? And me with nothing but my leathers and a mean attitude. I look around for something to defend myself with - maybe there's a spitoon nearby? <dice are rolled and rules applied> GM: OK, the spitoon you reach for is pretty slippery, but your leathers and attitidue come through for you: you suffer nothing worse than a cut across the ribs.[/indent] If the player can't change the fiction, which means changing the scene, what are they playing for? We can talk about [I]what sort of action declarations are permissible[/I] given rules, genre, etc. We can talk about [I]who gets to frame scenes [/I]ie who gest to decide which character is where with whom confronted by what. But I just don;t find the language of [I]editing scenes [/I]to be very helpful at all. Because in basic structure - of framing and of resolution there's no difference between the two examples I posted. [/QUOTE]

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