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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8017387" data-attributes="member: 42582">I don't understand what is going on with the reference to &quot;ruling the world / mass mind control&quot; - but do you two have actual play examples of this conjectured &quot;bad faith&quot; appicaiton of &quot;say 'yes' or roll the dice&quot;?This is a recurrent thing I see on this board. There seems to be this idea that to give players agency involves so-called &quot;narrative control&quot;.That idea is false.To give players agency in a (non-OSR/&quot;skilled play&quot;) game, all that is needed is that that the GM does not use secret/unilateral fiction to declare that action declarations fail.&nbsp; Burning Wheel, Prince Valiant and Coretex+ Heroic all fit this description.And they do not give the GM more explicit ways to reduce players' control of their PCs. They have nothing comparable, for instance, to D&amp;D's dominate mechanics.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8017387, member: 42582"] I don't understand what is going on with the reference to "ruling the world / mass mind control" - but do you two have actual play examples of this conjectured "bad faith" appicaiton of "say 'yes' or roll the dice"? This is a recurrent thing I see on this board. There seems to be this idea that to give players agency involves so-called "narrative control". That idea is false. To give players agency in a (non-OSR/"skilled play") game, all that is needed is that that [I]the GM does not use secret/unilateral fiction to declare that action declarations fail. [/I]Burning Wheel, Prince Valiant and Coretex+ Heroic all fit this description. And they do not give the GM more explicit ways to reduce players' control of their PCs. They have nothing comparable, for instance, to D&D's dominate mechanics. [/QUOTE]

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